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CONLANG April 2004, Week 2

Subject:

Re: SAMPA sucks! (Or, a few samples of the Ridiculese...)

From:

Frank George Valoczy <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:25:50 -0700

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> First of all, welcome back! Nice to know you're a Frankenlanger too. Now
> I'm
> going to whine about why I hate X-SAMPA (but I use it anyway).
>

Thanks! And I'll likely be agreeing with you all the way!!

> One replacement I would make: [H], which represents the labiopalatal
> semivowel (French consonantal 'u'), should be changed to [y\]. I want to
> think of the voiceless pharyngeal fricative (which is currently assigned
> [X\]) when I see [H]. More people speak Arabic as a first language than
> French; mostly on that basis I'd make the reassignment.

Hm, I agree!


> Side question: I've seen Cyrillic-based phonetic scripts (mostly for
> Uralic
> or Caucasian purposes), but what about an Arabic-based IPA (Islamic
> Phonetic
> Alphabet?) I would imagine a need for North Caucasian languages, but
> languages with a lot of vowel sounds might be a problem....
>
> Or what about Hebrew script for Judeo-IPA?

Ohhhhhh....I haven't told you about the Ridiculese orthography...I'll
present it soon, but for now, just this: it's alphabetic.

>
>> Anyways, here are the numbers one to ten in Ridiculese (it's base-60,
>> like
>> Sumerian, but I can't be arsed to SAMPA-ify all the 60 right now...)
>
> Sexagesimal numeration pwns. I've decided to use base-60 for Tech instead
> of
> base-20 for whole numbers/base-12 for fractions. I still have to figure
> out
> how I'll be compounding roots polysynthetically to make numbers.

I've no real serious idea about how base-60 works. I'm just inferring,
after 60 comes 60+1...till 60+59, then a new word...


> Two ways to construct affricates: for your Hungarian 'c', [t_s] and [ts)].
> Since the underscore/lowline is used primarily for secondary features, I'd
> recommend the right-hand parenthesis for affricates and double
> articulations
> like [kp)].

I like the second better...

---ferko

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