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Re: Questions about Hungarian

From:

Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 3 May 2004 13:38:16 +0200

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Hi!

John Cowan <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>...
> Finnish is interesting here: 8 and 9 are "two less than *deksan*"
> and "one less than *deksan*", but "deksan" (which is obviously IE)
> is not the Finnish for 10.

Hmm? I thought one of the lemmas of 'yksi' is 'yhd-' and one of
'kaksi' is 'kahd-'. The numbers in certain forms show great
similarity to the '-deksan' numbers.

E.g.
   'Kahden hengen' = 'of two beds'
                               (phrase in genitive case)

   'Kahdeksi yöksi/päiväksi' = 'for two nights/days'
                               (phrase in translative case)

   'Kahdeksan markaa' = 'eight Marks'
                               (phrase in nominitive case,
                               'markka' in partitive case)

Analogously: 'yksi'/'yhded'/'yhdeksi'/'yhdeksän'.

My analysis up to now was that 'kahdeksan' was something like 'two
off' / 'two away', without mentioning 'ten' in any way (no second stem
for 'ten' in that word), just some ending: i.e., the that
'-eksan'/'-eksän' was a certain ending on the lemmas 'yhd-'/'kahd-'.

Your analysis would surprise me, because there are no lemmas
'yh-'/'kah-', but only 'yhd-'/'kahd-' of these numbers IIRC.
There are 'yksi-', 'yhd-' and 'yht-'.

Maybe some finno-ugrist could clarify. I'm confused now.

**Henrik

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