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CONLANG  September 2004, Week 3

CONLANG September 2004, Week 3

Subject:

Re: new Unnamed Conlang

From:

Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:16:05 +0200

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Quoting Tamas Racsko <[log in to unmask]>:

> On 17 Sep 2004 Andreas Johansson <andjo@FRE...> wrote:
>
> > > kh (like "KHaan" in Mongolian)
> >
> > Mongolian might be a poor example, since very few people speak it.
>
>   I do not know Rodlox's intention but Khalkha |(k)h| is pronounced as [X]
> before back vowels, not [x] (|(k)haan| = [XQ:N]). Is there a better known
> language with this sound?

Various 'lects of German and Spanish. Frenchs for /r/ in words like "croissant".

> > > > > jy (like "DJoser" in Ancient Egyptian)
> > > > [...]
> > > ưn X-Sampa -  J\
> > Ah. Would I then be right in assuming that 'sy' and 'zy' denote,
> > respectively, a voiceless and a voiced palatal fricative?
>
>   In a description about Ancient Egyptian, the above AE sound is described
> as a palatal _affricate_, i.e. it is rather [J\j\] than simple stop [J\].

Well, I'd be more incline to go by Rodlox' statement that it's [J\] than by some
reconstruction of AE phonology that might differ from the one he's familiar
with.

>   In another approximation |y| could stand for palatalization, therefore
> |jy| could be [d'Z'], |sy| [s'] and [zy] [z']. This also can be interpreted
> as an "Eastern European" feature exsiting in Eastern Slavic languages, in
> Bulgarian etc.

Since by Rodlox' own words, 'jy' is a palatal, it seems most likely to assume
that '-y' denotes palatal POA rarther than palatalization or alveopalatal POA.

> > a voiceless and a voiced palatal fricative? (I'm still curious to hear
> > what Eastern European language uses them - I thought I had a decent grasp
> > of the various Latin orthographies of EE.)
>
>   In Hungarian [C] and [j\] are allophones of |j| at the end of the words
> after consonants, e.g. |kapj| [kOpC] 'get!', |dobj| [dobj\] 'throw!'.
> Moreover [C] is an allophone of /h/ (spellt as |h| or |ch|) in
> intervocalic, pre-consonantal (and sometimes final) positions if the
> adjacent vowel is front, e.g. |ihlet| [iClEt] 'inspiration', |pech| [peC:]
> 'bad luck'.
>   In addition, [C] is a frequent allophone of /x/ in other languages of
> this region.

Since you appear to be familiar with EEan languages, do you know any that uses
the digraphs 'sy' and 'zy'?

                                                Andreas

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