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CONLANG  September 2004, Week 4

CONLANG September 2004, Week 4

Subject:

Re: newbie: have alphabet, will conlang

From:

Glenn Alexander <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:44:48 +1000

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:29, J. 'Mach' Wust wrote:

> You have many different fricatives with the tongue tip (th,
> s, sh). I guess that many people would think these sounds are
> more like each other than e.g. /p/ and /b/.

I'm only going by how they sound to me, which is a very non-optimal
way to do things, I know. Suggestions always welcome.

I did have th, s and sh merged for a while. Maybe I'll re-merge them
again. Especially If I can get some other distinct consonants I may
have missed or over-merged elsewhere.

I'm not particularly attached to what I have come up with so far, just
to the idea of very distinctive sounds. I couldn't really care less
what the sounds actually are, so long as I have enough for a
reasonable vocabulary without resorting to tediously long words.

I seem to be working at anti-thesis to speedtalk ;-) But I don't want
to end up speaking in Morse.

> I believe that
> there can be no judgement on the likeliness of sounds that
> isn't determined by the languages one speaks.

I guess the judgement is somewhat based on what you are used to,
though I think the measurable physical distinctiveness of the sounds
would play a strong part too.

As I said, I'm biased by my native tongue. Doesn't mean I like my bias
though ;-)

> It's strange
> that you have a single sign for h and schwa. You have few
> back consonants, only /g/. Me as a German speaking would
> consider the distinction between [x] and [h] to be bigger
> than any distinction of th and s or of s and sh.

I feel I can get away with the h/shwa symbol because a h can never
appear where a shwa would and vice versa (at least in the way I speak
-- I'd be interested in objections). ie: I would never begin a
syllable with a shwa or have a 'h' anywhere but at the start of a
syllable. Doesn't mean they are said the same (though I seem to say
'shwa' the same as the back end of a 'h')

One point of the system is that you can use a broad range of
pronounciations for each letter, centered on the default but drifting
somewhat to the comfort zone relative to surrounding letters (and
according to regional accent).

> So you're concerned about writing speed without ever having
> written? :)

Reading speed. I don't think the use of risers-descenders has much
effect on writing speed, especially since I am more interested in
keeping the alphabet small enough for rapid touch-typing (ie fit on a
3x10 key matrix).

Glenn

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