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CONLANG  October 2004, Week 3

CONLANG October 2004, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Calénnawn and a manic digression on numbers

From:

Rene Uittenbogaard <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:08:27 +0200

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Sally Caves wrote:

> Traltan, bvenmanrivar Hrenne!
>
> What do I like about your conlang? the ontic and deontic subject, something
> I wish I could have expressed in Teonaht as neatly as you do. At first, I
> wondered if central, proximal, and distal could be more directly expressed
> by first, second and third person until I saw more closely what you did
> with it by putting the "we inclusive" in the proximal with "you."
> I might borrow that terminology, actually, because T. has an in/ex
> "we/us" as well.

Hi Sally,

Thanks for your comments!

The names central/proximal/distal are actually taken from Xaîni
(http://www.morxa.force9.co.uk/ , a language that I like very much BTW),
but in Calénnawn, they are less vague/ambiguous than in Xaîni.


> In addition, one of my musings about Old Teonaht was that it had an
> animate/inanimate gender, which you have, and new Teonaht does not. I'll
> have to "re-establish" it in Menarilihs.
>
> And you were praised for your variations on the verb "have"; another
> admirable thing. I've long been interested in the alienable and
> inalienable.
>
> Finally, cheers for the base 6 numbering! I take it it's base six, right?
> Your verbal description indicates that it is, but your graphic description
> looks like a base seven: is the numeric symbol for six supposed to
> represent a combination of one and zero? The only arithmatic I know is
> that
> based on arabic numerals, so how does your math work among your people?
>
> You do have a zero, but in calculation how do you use it?

[snip]

> So what are you doing, Rene', with your base six or seven? And your zero?

Math in Calénnawn is base-6 all right. The numerals 0-5 are used in the
usual manner. The symbol for '6' is just a typographical convenience,
an alternative spelling. The digit is called a "big ten". It is ONLY
allowed as a substitute for a leading '10' digit combination on a
number, it is NEVER allowed as a second or later digit.

The Cúsibe (the planet's inhabitants) count as follows (Calénnawn
numbers are distinguished from base-10 numbers by transcribing them with
a leading underscore):

_0
_1
_2
_3
_4
_5
_6 (or _10)
_11 (not _61)
_12
_13
_14
_15
_20 (not *_16)
_21
_22
_23
_24
..
..
_54
_55
_60 (or _100)
_61 (or _101)
_62 (or _102)
_63 (or _103)
_64 (or _104)
_65 (or _105)
_110 (not *_16 or *_66 or *_106 or any other obscenities)
_111
_112
etc.

> I think you're off to a great start! Welcome!

Thanks a lot! :)

I always find it difficult to stay as original as possible because other
people often have such great ideas :) Unfortunately, Calénnawn has
already copied too much from other languages *sigh*.

> I'd be interested to know how long you've been working on Calennawn, and
> what gave you the inspiration.

I started working on it more than three, maybe 3.5 years ago, but there
have been extended periods of time during which I did not work on it.

It was inspired by the need for a language for a people on a planet
(Caléntuy) that I was making up a story about. However, I suck as a
writer, so that story probably will never be written down. Other
languages are spoken in the same solar system (Dyàmmo, Taksioy_' and my
latest project: Eyahwansi), but these are very preliminary.

In my previous conlang projects, I always wanted the languages to be as
regular and systematic as possible. It was not so long ago that I was
"enlightened" and found out that irregularities can simplify the
language greatly, and improve the overall character and "feel" of the
language. In retrospect, I think I have overdone it in Calénnawn (heck,
just look at all the personal pronouns).

> Should I send this and risk embarrassment? Yes, maybe, maybe...
> Sally
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~scaves/whatsteo.html
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~scaves/contents.html
>
> Niffodyr tweluenrem lis teuim an
> "The gods have retractible claws."
> The Gospel of Bastet

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