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CONLANG  October 2004, Week 4

CONLANG October 2004, Week 4

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Re: Sound shift question

From:

Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:43:02 +0200

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Hi!

Danny Wier <[log in to unmask]> writes:
> From: "Henrik Theiling"
>...
> >  /t_>/ > */t?/ > */th/ > /tx/ or /tX/
> >  /k_>/ > */k?/ > */kh/ > /ks/
> >  /q_>/ > */q?/ > */qh/ > /qT/
>
> You mean /qX)/ right?

No, I really meant /qT/.  It is in contrast with /qX)/, which is
already present in the inventory.  Because I wanted no collapse, I
decided to have articulation at different places instead of
homorganic.

I encountered [qT] in Tamaziqth (which allows almost all sequences of
consonants...).  'water pipe' is [T&fqvOqT] in the dialect I heard (no
idea about phonemes in that language).  The name of the language had
[XT], which I also liked: [T&m&"zIXT].

The question is: is a sound change that avoids collision by using
different places of articulation feasible?  Or what other
possibilities exist?

> And I'm glad you included that infamous Klingon affricate too! (This
> is not sarcasm; see my previous post about inverted exclamation
> marks and how I use them for sarcasm.)

:-)) It is in included already! :-)  I like uvular sounds a lot!
Infamous??  Why?

> Or are you talking about affricates or sequences of two consonants?

The latter.  The former is already present in the inventory.

> > Any suggestions?
>
> I'd imagine the NON-ejective stops would become affricates, not the
> ejectives, because in languages with ejectives, the voiceless, non-ejective
> stops/affricates are aspirated.

Ah, ok.  And the ejectives could move to plain?  Would have the same
effect to the inventory, but maybe more reasonably.

> And yes, ejectives are tough for the uninitiated. A trick I found to
> be effective is to also pronounce the stop/affricate as
> 'half-voiced', not exaggerating the glottalization, and being
> careful not to add any aspiration.

Hmhm, indeed, this sounds well as I try it.  Better than before. :-)

My main problem was a voiceless lateral click with ejective release,
which I could not pronounce well even after *a lot* of attempts.  This
is not solved by your hints, I think.  It seems that three places of
articulation (lateral click + velar stop + glottal closure) to care
about at the same time (I am not used to this in my native tongue...)
are simply too much for me.  I decided that the ejectives are the hard
part of it, as I have problems distinguishing them when speaking and
listening.  So I want to throw them out of S7 to be able to read texts
aloud.

**Henrik

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