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CONLANG  November 2004, Week 2

CONLANG November 2004, Week 2

Subject:

Re: /k/ in i.t.a.

From:

Ray Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:56:47 +0000

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On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 01:57 , Muke Tever wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:09:55 +0100, Jean-François Colson <[log in to unmask]
> BE> wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I see that in Pitman Initial Teaching Alphabet, which is a phonemic
>> alphabet,

Not phonemic in the strict sense. See below.

>> different characters
>> are used for the c of cat and the k of key.
>> Is there any difference between those characters?

Nope - both denote /k/.

>> If not, how are they used?

|c| is used where /k/ is spelled |c| in the traditional spelling and |k|
is used where traditional spelling has |k| :)

> It is likely that the system is not two-way phonemic (i.e., one grapheme
> per sound and one sound per grapheme) but just one-way phonemic (one sound
> per letter).

Spot on!

> This is sensible for an alphabet that is used to teach people
> to read.

Yes, the system was not developed as "yet another reformed English
spelling", otherwise some things would surely have been done differently.
It was as strictly an _initial teaching alphabet_ in order to ease the
transition into the more difficult un-phonemic traditional spelling.

> Notice also that the sound /z/ is spelled two different ways,
> with a regular "z" for /z/ spelled "z" and with a reversed "z" (or, if you
> like, an "s" with sharp corners) for /z/ spelled "s".

Quite so.

> (Indeed, on the ITA webpage under "what is ITA" it says "The alphabet
> adheres closely to traditional orthography. The symbols are lowercase.
> Certain conventional English spellings have been retained such as the c
> and k, which have the same sound.)

Yep. It was very much in vogue some in IIRC the 1970s & possibly 80s. But
it seems to have fallen out of favor. I think it was found that it
actually confused some kids as the transition got made rather than helped
them.

Ray
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