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CONLANG  December 2004, Week 1

CONLANG December 2004, Week 1

Subject:

Re: USAGE: Vowel recordings

From:

Tristan Mc Leay <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:34:37 +1100

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Mark J. Reed wrote:

>I see we have YAAEPT on our hands (Yet Another Australian...) :)
>But I'll jump in even though I'm a Leftpondian because I have some
>quesations:
>
>

Oh, you've started putting the South Pole at the top of your maps, too? :)

>On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:37:30AM +1100, Tristan Mc Leay wrote [quoting Adrian!]:
>
>
>>>Yes. It's a regular modification before [5].
>>>
>>>
>
>[5]?   Oh, wait, there it is - buried in a note in the diacritics
>section of the CXS chart.  Tsk. :)
>
>

Blame someone else---it isn't my fault!

>>I think of 'holy' etc. with the 'goatee' vowel being a thing of posh
>>old-fashioned British women (or perhaps posh old-fashioned Australian
>>women pretending to be British). I didn't realise it was current amongst
>>any dialects...
>>
>>
>
>Hm.  What is the alternative to "the 'goatee' vowel" in "holy"?
>
>
>
>> Very definitely the 'oldie' vowel for me. On a related
>>
>>
>
>Ah!  Well, IMD those are not quite the same vowel, but darn close.
>Before [5], the [o] is lowered and the trailing [w]-glide is lost,
>so |holy| = |wholly| and |oldie| both have something like [o_o5],
>whereas |goatee| has [oU_^t].
>
>

Yeah... I have something like [Vu\] vs [Ou]. I'm more confident about
the IPAfication of the second than the first though. The first is meant
to be roughly what Adrian uses there...

Incidentally, sometimes 'holy' is pronounced 'holly' (i.e. /hOli/),
othertimes 'wholly' (i.e. /hOuli/). I have no idea when it chooses which.

>>>>I'd be interested to hear a bunch of /U@/ words, like 'pure',
>>>>'purest',  'tour', 'tourist'.
>>>>
>>>>
>
>Distinct vowels for me.  The "pure*" words have [r\=], while the
>"tour*" words have [uwr\=].
>
>

Hm... Those French certainly have something to answer for!

>>Well, I meant words that are often marked in dictionaries as having /U@/
>>:)
>>
>>
>
>I find that diphthong very odd.  It's certainly not what comes out when
>I try to de-rhoticize  my own pronunciation. :)
>
>

Yairr, well if I tried to rhutticise my pronunciation, it'd be orrl
wrung too :)

--
Tristan.

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