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CONLANG December 2004, Week 1

Subject:

Re: USAGE: Vowel recordings

From:

"Adrian Morgan (aka Flesh-eating Dragon)" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:59:52 +1030

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taliesin the storyteller wrote:

> I recommend Praat for this. Complex, but worth it.
> <http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/>

Note that praat doesn't read mp3 files; it wants wav or similar. This
is disappointing because wav files are so big!

Tristan McLaey wrote, quoting myself:

> > I am not aware of any dialect of Australian English in which 'steam'
> > has a diphthong! It's always /sti:m/ as far as I know.
>
> /sti:m/, perhaps, though my sometimes inability to distinguish between
> [i] and [I] without a context suggests otherwise, but certainly not
> [sti:m] for the most part. And this isn't perculiar to Australian
> English either, it's kin in England often have a diphthong. It's
> something like [Ii] or [@i], with the second element being dominant.

Glide, certainly, depending somewhat upon the syllable onset. But the
difference between a diphthong and a glide really only boils down to
whether or not the 'diphthong' is present at the phonemic level as
well as the phonetic.

> I think of 'holy' etc. with the 'goatee' vowel being a thing of posh
> old-fashioned British women (or perhaps posh old-fashioned Australian
> women pretending to be British). I didn't realise it was current amongst
> any dialects... Very definitely the 'oldie' vowel for me. On a related
> note, do you distinguish between 'poll' and 'pole' and similar?

No distinction between 'poll' and 'pole'.

I've uploaded another file, which demonstrates the words:
    "Holy, wholly, holly"
followed by the sentence:
    "This is our purest tour where all our tourists are pure".

http://web.netyp.com/member/dragon/say/vowels2.mp3

> > I've standardised on 96kbps as the resolution for all my mp3 files.
> > It's an adequate resolution for all home use purposes (including music)
> > while also resulting in respectably compact file sizes.
>
> I've found 96 kbps MP3s to be too tiny with all but mid-quality speakers
> for music---most of what I rip is roughly 192 kbps Ogg Vorbis files,
> mostly because that's my software's default. But I spose that's a
> different issue altogether.

With wma files I use 64 kbps because wma is significantly more
efficient than mp3. With mp3 I find that 96 kbps is necessary.

Just to prove I'm not mad, I've uploaded a couple of music samples on
a strictly temporary basis (i.e. they'll be deleted when I see you've
replied to this post). Each sample is approximately twenty seconds
long.

First, an extract from "Across the Waters" by Jimmy Gregory. This is
an mp3 copy of a 64 kbps .wma original.
http://web.netyp.com/member/dragon/temp/WaterSample.mp3
Second, an extract from a song sung in Hebrew. This is an extract from
a 96 kbps .mp3 original.
http://web.netyp.com/member/dragon/temp/ShaarSample.mp3
Now, granted these would not be good quality if played through an
expensive concert-hall speaker to an audience of a thousand, but using
the average sort of speakers associated with a home computer I find
this level of quality fulfils all of my relevant needs.

Adrian.

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