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CONLANG  January 2005, Week 3

CONLANG January 2005, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Some isolating verb patterns

From:

"Pascal A. Kramm" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:22:52 -0500

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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:36:41 -0800, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Here is my first sketch of how to handle verb tenses
>in my isolating project:
>
>With some verb roots borrowed (with minor alteration)
>from Latin:
>
>Kuran - run
>Vokas - call
>
>Past particle "sona": "Ko sona kuran." ("I ran.").
>Future particle "kwona": "Ko kwona kuran." ("I will
>run.").
>Imparative particle "ga": "Ga kuran." ("Run!")
>Past perfect particle "dao": "Ele dao kuran." ("He had
>run.")

Your tense particles are too long - they should only be one syllable.
Otherwise, they would get shortened in everyday use anyway.
You should add a present particle.
Also, I'd compound present+past perfect.
Past and Future are too similar, that should be changed.
Besides, if it's latin-based, you should use q for kw.

My suggestion:
Present "nu": ko nu kuran
Past "son": ko son kuran
Future "qan": ko qan kuran
Imperative "ga": ga kuran
Present perfect "nuson": ko nuson kuran
Past Perfect "sonson": ko sonson kuran
Futur II "qanson": ko qanson kuran

>Passive particle "bine": "Ko bine vokas." ("I am
>called.")
>Passive past: "Ko sona bine vokas." ("I was called.")
>Passive past perfect: "Kui dao bine vokas." ("We had
>been called.")
>Passive future: "Te kwona bine vokas." ("It will be
>called.")

Same here, should be one syllable only: "bi"
Can also be combined with tense.
Passive present "binu": ko binu vokas
Passive past "bison": ko bison vokas
Passive futur "biqan": ko biqan vokas
...

>Progressive "yn": "Ko kuran yn." ("I am running.")
>Past: "Sele sona vokas yn." ("She was calling.")
>Past perfect: "Kui dao kuran yn." ("We had been
>running.")

Seems more logical to me to compound it with the tense:
Continuous Present: ko innu kuran
Continuous Past: ko inson kuran
...

>Progressive passive: "Tui bine vokas yn." ("They are
>being called.")
>Past: "Tui sona bine vokas yn." ("They were being
>called.")

Likewise composition:
Passive Continuous Present: ko inbinu kuran
Passive Continuous Past: ko inbison kuran
...

>Present perfect particle "dingau":
>...

Superfluent - if you use monosyllabic particles, you can compound times like
Present Perfect etc. easily.

>Any thoughts or observations?
>
>I plan on taking my vocabulary primarily from Latin
>with a smattering of Classical Greek based roots for
>variety.  The roots will be the result of applying
>some fixed mutation rules to the Latin or Greek
>equivalents.  Applying the mutation rules to "Latin"
>gives me "Ladish", which might end up being the name
>of the language.

Sounds odd to me...
Perhaps better combine Latin + Greek = Latek or something.

--
Pascal A. Kramm, author of:
Chatiga: http://www.choton.org/chatiga/
Choton: http://www.choton.org
Ichwara Prana: http://www.choton.org/ichwara/
Skälansk: http://www.choton.org/sk/
Advanced English: http://www.choton.org/ae/

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