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AUXLANG  March 2005, Week 1

AUXLANG March 2005, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Hornets

From:

"Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:25:34 -0800

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Je 08.25 atm 2005.02.28, Jeff BLAKESLEE skribis
>Hi, I'm one of the people who (rather clumsily) participated in the
>Interlingua hornet discussion.
>
>It seems that you agree with Goncalo Neves that the dependence of
>Interlingua on the usage of other languages is a weakness. I see it
>usually as a strength, though I admit it sometimes doesn't quite work well
>for nontechnical words (even for some very basic concepts like 'chair') .
>
>For technical terms the system generally works wonderfully and is better
>in Esperanto's in my opinion. In my NPIV I see two different words for
>'depression' in the psychiatric sense: depresio and deprimo. I have no way
>of knowing which word is more common, maybe one of them is laughingly
>quaint or obscure. But the point is there is some uncertainty as to what
>the technical term for 'depression' is in Eo. In Interlingua, there is
>really no doubt that the word is 'depression' (en: depression, sp:
>depresion, it: depressione etc).
>
>One of the things that is a little frustrating for me about Eo is that
>there is some doubt in my mind as to the 'correctness' of the technical
>vocabulary I want to use. I see the word there in the dictionary, but is
>it a term everyone uses? Is the word out of date? Is it something the
>dictionary editor just made up? (The NPIV says it contains words in this
>latter category, though maddeningly they aren't marked as such in the entries.)
>

In this case, the current editor didn't make it up, nor did the previous
editor.

I checked through several dictionaries of the sort that the average
(English-speaking) Esperanto speaker is likely to have. "depresio" does not
appear in Wells, on either side. It does not appear in Fulcher & Long
(English-Esperanto). It doesn't even appear in the Plena Vortaro (which is
probably a more faithful source of Esperanto terms than PIV or its
successor NPIV, though the latter are more complete and prettier -- as well
as considerably more expensive). The earliest appearance I find is in
Butler (Esperanto-English), where it is clearly marked "(econ, met)" -- in
other words, restricted to "the great depression" and "tropical
depression", etc. Benson (English-Esperanto) has it "($; psych; geol)" but
includes a sign blaming it not on Butler nor on PIV but on Levreaud's
Supplement to PIV.

So "depresio" would appear to be intended as a strictly technical term,
doing multiple duty for different fields; where it refers to psychological
depression, it would have to be clinical depression, not just I'm feeling
"deprimita" because the skies are so gray ... And in any case, it's a word
that the average speaker will encounter rarely and use not at all.
(Actually, I don't remember ever seeing it used outside a dictionary, but
then my memory isn't all it used to be.)

>I love Esperanto, but have always longed for more concentration of the
>community on nailing down the technical words. Even some kind of official
>list that everyone ignored would be something.
>

Let me refer you to the works listed at
http://uea.org/dokumentoj/terminaroj_ekde_1980.html .

Amike salutas vin


-- Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/don/don.html
Opinions (in English): http://www.harlows.org/don/opinions/
Esperanto (in English): http://www.harlows.org/don/esperanto/
Literaturo (Esperante): http://donh.best.vwh.net/Esperanto/Literaturo

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