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CONLANG April 2005, Week 2

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Re: French reform (Re: C.Thalmann, & #1)

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Date:

Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:06 -0400

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Jean-Franois Colson

>On Monday, April 11, 2005 9:28 AM, Joe wrote:
>
>>>    - in 'i emãzhe' the first e is not the same phonem as the second,
>>>but this may be a feature of my dialect
>
>In my "dialect", the first e is an unrounded open-mid front vowel, while
>the
>second one is an unrounded close-mid front vowel. But I'd say /ilEmanZe/
>with an /l/.

In mine, it'd be /jema~Ze/

with the same "e"

>Personally, I never drop the "l" of "il". But I _think_ the /i/
>pronunciation occurs mainly (at least in Europe) before verbs beginning
>with
>a consonnant.

In Quebec, I always drop the /l/

He loves = Il aime = /jEm/
He eats = Il mange = /ima~Z/

/j/ before a vowel and /i/ before a consonnant

>I'm not sure of the Quebecian usage, but I remember that in her songs Lynda
>Lemay generally uses /i/ even for "ils ont" and she writes "y ont". She
>says
>/io~/ where I say /ilzo~/.

Not being a real big fan of Lynda Lemay, I don't know exactly how she speaks
but it is probably /jo~/.. but it's not sure, the Quebec having at least 6-7
dialects with little differences

>
>If I had to make a radical reform, here is what I'd like to do:
>

I'll add what I'd do after your examples but it would only be worth here and
never outside of my little region

>Il est assis -> Il èt asiz

ietasi /jetasi/

>Elle est assise -> Èle èt asize
>

tasiz /E:tasIz/

>Il y est assis -> Il i èt asiz
>

I don't think I'd even say that sentence I'd probably say "Il est assis l"

ietasil /jetasilA/

>Il est mangé -> Il èt mãjé
>

jemje /jema~Ze/

>Parlez français -> Parléz frãsèz
>

parle frs /parle fRa~sE/

>
>
>Alors, je comprends -> Alor, je kõprã

alor, ckpr /aloR Sko~pra~/

>
>Autre pays, autre mœurs -> Otre pèiz, otre mœrz
>

otr pi, otr mrs /otR pEi.otR m9Rs/

>Le parapluie est vert -> Le paraplùi èt vèrt
>

l paraplyi ie vr /l@ paRaplHi je vER/

>Monsieur Staline est-il Russe? -> Mœsiœ Staline èt il Rùse?
>

msi Stalin ie-ty rus? /m2sj2 stalin je ty Rys/

>0-10 -> Zéro, œ̃, dœ, trwa, katre, sẽk, sis, sèt, ùit, nœf, dis
>

zero &#361; d trw katr s&#7869;k sis st yit nf dis (z duz)


In fact, my phonology for a french reform would be:

/b/ = b
/p/ = p
/d/ = d
/t/ = t
/g/ = g
/k/ = k
/m/ = m
/n/ = n
/J/ =  (n~)
/v/ = v
/f/ = f
/z/ = z
/s/ = s
/Z/ = j
/S/ = c
/R/ = r
/l/ = l

/j/ = i
/H/ = y
/w/ = u

/i/ = i
/y/ = y
/u/ = u
/e/ = e
/E/ =  (e`)
/2/ =  (o)
/9/ =  (o)
/a/ = a
/A/ =  (a^)
/O/ = o
/o/ =  (o^)
/@/ = 
/a~/ =  (a~)
/e~/ = &#7869; (e~)
/o~/ =  (o~)
/2~/ = &#361; (u~)


I'd also reform the grammar

First person singular prefixes:

before a
- vowel and voiced consonants: j- /Z/
=> I love = J'aime = jm
=> I eat = je mange = jmj

- voiceless consonant: c- /S/
=> I hold = je tiens = cti&#7869;

- geminated consonant: j- /Z@/
=> I love him = je l'aime = jllm

etc.. (I've already wrote too much to keep interest)
;P

- Max

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