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AUXLANG  June 2005, Week 4

AUXLANG June 2005, Week 4

Subject:

The Baha'i Faith (was: Auxlangs and Religion)

From:

Thomas Alexander <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:55:40 -0700

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Cousin Anthony,

Let me start with a side note.  It's been interesting
to me, as I've looked into this topic recently, to
find so many references to our Cousin Agnes.

I appreciate your reply, especially consiering your
time constraints.  Before seeing your note, I've been
coming to the conclusion that I will need to write
some sort of "essay" on this subject (even if only
for my own personal use and reference) so that I can
have all my thoughts and references on this topic in
one place.  The links you sent will assist in this.

So far, I have only been able to read your 7 page
essay (from LangX) in any detail.  I've saved the
other one (which is 40 pages, not 4 as you wrote)
to disk and do plan to read it -- although I already
have the impression that the topic is *not* as
"comprehensively covered" as I would like it to be.

Concerning your essay, I am very tempted to take
issue with some points, but I hesitate for several
reasons, partly out of respect for your time and
for this forum, but also because as an atheist and
ex-fundamentalist, I suspect my views on "scripture"
are very different from an appropriate Baha'i view.
They'd have to be, since from any point of view
which I am able to take, they don't make sense, yet
they make sense to the Baha'i, so clearly I have more
learning to do in order to see the word(*) from their
viewpoint.

(*) in proofreading my note, I am not sure whether
I meant to write "Word" or "world" here -- both make
sense.

An additional hinderence for me when it concerns the
Baha'i scriptures, is the language they are written
in.  I suspect that this comment will not be offensive
to any Baha'i, although to an outside observer it may
seem to be.  The translations (and originals?) in
English often contain words which you never see
elsewhere.  A google search on "beseemeth" pulls up
mostly Baha'i references.  Screen out these (and
references to the Wycliffe translation of the Bible
from 1382 and an intentionally archaic trnaslation of
the Iliad by A. T. Murray) you do start to find some
other use of this word (e.g. in translations from the
Quran and some works of Mark Twain), but it is absent
in the King James Bible and (to my knowledge) in
Shakespear and other "archaic" works known to the
average modern reader.

In spite of all this, I feel confident in making at
least one specific comment at this point.  In your
essay, you cite 'Abdu'l-Baha as saying that he hopes
that Esperanto may be "perfected through the bounties
of God" and from that, you conclude the he "required"
an immediate reform of the language.  I believe this
to be a bold jump, unsupported by the facts. I'm 
curious about the words used in the original (not that
I'd understand them), but I will point out that even
in English that "to perfect" can mean "to complete or
finish."  My reaction to this sentence is that he
hopes that the work of Esperanto should be MADE
COMPLETE -- that is, it should be spread and accepted
by the world -- through the bounties of God.

Of course, the alternative is supported by the fact
that a year earlier, he said that Esperanto "needs
perfecting" and that it is "very difficult for some
people."  (Still, I'm left wondering why that would
matter if it's supposed to be taught to children -
see Pei - and eventually become a universal mother
language.)

The last quote in that section - which, unfortuately,
is not dated - sounds to me like a word for word
description of the Fina Venko as described in the
second sentece of the Fundamento.  How this point
can be missed (or at least not addressed) by
intelligent Baha'i who have clearly given a lot of
thought to the matter (and not just you, but I could
list as an example one of the authors of "Bahaismo
kaj Esperanto: Festlibro okaze de la 25-jarigxo de
la Bahaa Esperanto-Ligo") is beyond me.

Amike salutas,
Thomas/Tomaso ALEXANDER.
www.NightinGael.Net
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