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CONLANG  July 2005, Week 3

CONLANG July 2005, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Consonant harmony (and intro)

From:

Ray Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:41:37 +0100

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On Tuesday, July 19, 2005, at 02:09 , Kate Sherwood wrote:
[snip]
>> Oh, and another natlang example that comes to mind is Latin.
>> In Latin (and there are lots of Latin buffs on the list, so jump in
>> here if you've got some more info), you could never have two
>> /l/'s or two /r/'s in close proximity.

Yes, you can.

>>  This is how we get "moral" and "molar".

No - it was only a tendency to dissimilate neighboring r-r and l-l, thus 
we find _caeruleus <-- *caeluleus, derived from _caelum_. So, as you say, 
the adjectival ending -alis is changed to -aris when attached to a stem 
containing /l/, thus:
naualis, mortalis - but: militaris, consularis, lunaris.

>> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this went
>> all the way through the word, didn't it?

With the ending -alis/-aris, yes (see above). But there are plenty of 
words that do *not* show such dissimilation; for example:
urere (to burn), gerere (to bear, wear etc), peregrinus (foreign, strange)
, armarium (closet, chest), remurmurare (to murmur back [to someone]) etc;
ulula (screech-owl), folliculus (small bag, sack), lilium (lily), 
pellicula (small hide, skin), maliloquax (slanderous) etc.

>> Thus, "floral", but *froral would be impossible?

No. The the word for 'flower' is _flo:s_ with genitive _flo:ris_ from an 
earlier *flo:sos. Intervocalic -s- had regularly become -r- in classical 
Latin (something similar happened also in the Germanic languages, cf. our 
'was' ~ 'were'). But in fact _floralis_ is an *exception* to the rule if 
the stem contained /l/ then the ending -alis --> -aris. It seems the 
intervening -r- was enough to counteract that.

But the tendency to dissimilate these two sounds continued into Vulgar 
Latin in some regions; for example in French we find _pélerin_ <-- VL 
_pelegrinus_ = CL _peregrinus_. Also Latin _arbor_ (earlier _arbos_) "tree"
  has become _árbol_ in Spanish and _albero_ in Italian - but there sister 
languages are not so fussy: French & Catalan: _arbre_, Portuguese: árvore.

Ray
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