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Re: New conlang

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John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:00:16 +0300

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> >Is there an official way in any phonetic alphabet to denote the length of 
>a
> >trill? How does one mark whether /r:/ is /444/ or /4444/ or /4444444/ ... 
>?
>
>I'm guessing by /444/ you mean a trill with three contacts?

Yes.


>Taps/flaps are ballistic movements and by definition can only have one 
>contact. Trills, on the other hand, are caused by the Bernouilli effect, so 
>strictly speaking a trill is not the same thing as multiple taps or a 
>"prolonged" or geminate tap.

"Ballistic" movements?

And you really mean it would be possible to differentiate not just 
taps/percussives vs. flaps, but also single-contact trills?? I'm unable to 
produce this last distinction.
Furthermore, what's the common category for all these sounds?


>As far as I'm aware, most languages aren't precise in the number of 
>contacts that constitute a trill (I know Finnish is supposed to have simple 
>& geminate trills, but I don't know if any studies have measured how 
>speakers distinguish the two).

Well, being Finnish myself: /r/ has 1 to 3 contacts, and /r:/ 3 or more. 
Whether a 3-contact trill will be considered "short" or "long" is a function 
of duration and dialect... I'm not sure which interpretation is more common.
I remember reading of a study (...sorry, I know no ID details) where it was 
found that the most typical lengths are 2 and 4.


>The IPA doesn't make any provision for the exact number of contacts in a 
>trill (so a trill could have only a single contact in rapid speech), so the 
>distinction would best be made between [r] and [r:] and [r::] if necessary, 
>indicating progressively longer trills.
>
>Bfowol

Here's a rather weird idea: how about denoting numeral n by a trill with n 
contacts? Another trill phoneme could be used for reciprocals, and maybe 
even a third for square roots ... :D

John Vertical

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