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CONLANG  August 2005, Week 1

CONLANG August 2005, Week 1

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Re: New conlang

From:

Paul Roser <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:28:20 -0400

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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:00:16 +0300, John Vertical <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:

>>Taps/flaps are ballistic movements and by definition can only have one
>>contact. Trills, on the other hand, are caused by the Bernouilli effect, 
>>so strictly speaking a trill is not the same thing as multiple taps or 
>>a "prolonged" or geminate tap.
>
>"Ballistic" movements?

A term I've come across in the literature - best definition I could find 
online: "relating to or characteristic of the motion of objects moving 
under their own momentum and the force of gravity" -- which pretty much 
describes the articulation of a tap/flap. 

>And you really mean it would be possible to differentiate not just
>taps/percussives vs. flaps, but also single-contact trills?? I'm unable 
>to produce this last distinction.

Articulatorily it would be possible to distinguish taps/flaps fromsingle-
contact trills, though I doubt the listener would be able to hear any 
discernable difference between an alveolar tap and a single-contact 
alveolar trill.

The term percussive is now reserved for a small set of phones, mostly found 
in disordered speech, though the sublingual percussive occurs in some 
productions of the alveolar click (actually realized in this case as a 
double click - after the tongue tip releases from contact with the alveolar 
ridge the underside of the tongue makes contact with the floor of the 
mouth).

>Furthermore, what's the common category for all these sounds?

There's a lot of disagreement on what to call them - 'rhotic' covers most 
of them, but excludes the bilabial trill and may or may not exclude the 
uvular trill. A *very* old term that I thought nicely covered taps, flaps & 
trills was 'vibrant', but it doesn't seem to be used much in the literature 
now.

>Here's a rather weird idea: how about denoting numeral n by a trill with n
>contacts? Another trill phoneme could be used for reciprocals, and maybe
>even a third for square roots ... :D

Weird indeed, but interesting, though I doubt humans would have the aural 
acuity to distinguish numbers by the number of contacts in trills, but that 
doesn't mean it couldn't work in a non-human language.

Bfowol

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