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AUXLANG  August 2005, Week 2

AUXLANG August 2005, Week 2

Subject:

Re: "Nam" es latino classic (era: Sample text in Interlingua)

From:

Thomas Alexander <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 14 Aug 2005 06:52:27 -0700

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Greetings Dan, Kjell, and others,

Dankema/Dancema Dan wrote:
> As a result of Thomas' previous message, I wondered
> which would be the name of [] in Interlingua.

You do know, of course, that your admission that you
read his missives will only encourage him to write
more.  Whoops, I mean, ... *my* missives ... encourage
*me*.  I hadn't supposed that people actually read
them.  :-)

In Esperanto, I use the same word for "bracket" as for
"staple".  A few years ago, I was involved in a three-
way discussion by e-mail about the preparation of song
booklets.  Each person was using a different word for
staple.  I recall checking the words in PIV and in
various national languages and coming to the
conclusion that there was no one clear "winner" in
this case and that the best thing I could do was to
learn to recognize all three.  It doesn't surprise me
that you're finding something similar for "square
bracket."

I wonder, however, whether the regula de tres is even
applicable here.  Doesn't the rule apply to individual
words and not to whole expressions?  The only single-
word expression in your list is "crochet" (small hook,
right?), which does exist in several languages, but
not with this as a common meaning.  (Hey look, it's
even in the IED with the meaning of using a hook to
make blankets and doilies.)  I see no reason not to
simply invent a descriptive expression based on words
already in the IED such as parentheses, quadrate,
recte, and angular.  Each of your expressions strike
me as suficiently clear, and equally correct.  One
could argue that "angular" has more prime vista power
than "quadrate" or "recte", but when writing for
people who actually *understand* Interlingua well
enough to care, I suspect that this difference is
tiny.

> So by mere number, the Interlingua name of []
> should be "parentheses quadrate". But Kjell's
> "parentheses recte" seems better to me (although
> this may be a Spanish-speaker bias). And for those
> who complain about the length of Interlingua
> expressions, it saves one syllabe!

I noticed the saved syllable when Kjell used it.
All kidding aside, I don't think it's that big
of a deal.   By the way, here's another twist
for you.  It seems possible to include elements of
"quadrate", "angular" and "recte" in a fourth
possible expression in Interlingua: "parentheses
rectangular".  It's descriptive, and reminiscent of
squares (which are a special kind of rectangle),
straightness, and angularity.  Not to mention that
"rectangular" scores top points as far as prime vista
power is concerned.  Of course, this adds an extra
syllable over "quadrate" and two over "recte". :-)

> P.S.: Of course, Eo "kvadrataj krampoj" would add
> another point to "parentheses quadrate". But,
> obviously, Esperanto isn't a source language of
> Interlingua!

Are we sure that "kvadrataj krampoj" is the most
common way to say this in Esperanto?  I use this term,
but mostly because I'm literally translating the
English expression. 

There is an extent to which I use Esperanto as one of
my personal linguas fontes, both consciously and
subconsiously.  When guessing at the form of a word
(or when selecting between synonyms) I can only fall
back upon those languages which I know, and after
English, the language which I know best is Esperanto
(followed by German.)  This is the source of my
preference for words like "sed" and "demanda" (and
not "ma" and "question"), a number of bad guesses
(which aren't coming to mind at the time) and a few
cases of intentional trouble-making (such as
"presque").

Kjell:
> In le intro inn le IED il dice que un via pro
> producer un parola interlingua es que on prende
> le ablativo de un parola latin, e isto es in general
> le parola interlingua, sed ego comprende que Gode et
> consortes non opina isto esser le juste via sed un
> methodo surrogate.

Mi rimarkis ke lastatempe vi ofte duobligas la fianan
"N" de vortoj kiel "in".  Cxu intence vi faras?

Cetere, mi ne sukcesis trovi la vorton "ablative"
(nek "ablativo") en la enkonduko de IED.  Cxu vi eble
pensas pri alia dokumento?  Forsan le "general report"
de IALA?

Amike salutas,
Thomas/Tomaso ALEXANDER.
www.NightinGael.Net
---Anything below this line is not from Thomas ---

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