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AUXLANG  August 2005, Week 2

AUXLANG August 2005, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Causal or explanatory conjunctions

From:

Thomas Alexander <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:12:33 -0700

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Jim "Superbeard" Henry wrote:
> If your car is not here, it seems a probable
> inference that you've left driving it.  But
> someone could have stolen it or you might have
> loaned it to someone, and in those cases you might
> still be here. "sxoqj" is reserved for cases where
> you can really prove one proposition from another.

True, I suppose, but I had two different situations
in mind.

A: His car is gone because he left for the store.
B: He's got to be gone because his car is not here.

In A, I intended the context to be that someone had
noticed the missing car and had asked someone with
specific knowledge of the situation "why is his car
not here?".  The reply was that the car's absence
was caused by the owner's departure on a storeward
vector.  Since this can be phrased in terms of
causation, I chose "woqj" for "because."

In B, a different person observes the same situation
and this time without asking the person with specific
knowledge, he makes an inference.  Here, I used jqoqj
for inference since his car's absence isn't causing
his absence.

I'm still a little stuck on what you mean by
"logically follows".  Is it something like this:

X: If he had gone to the store in his car,
   his car would be gone.
Y: His car is not gone.

Therefore: he did not go to the store in his car
           sxoqj his car is not gone.

> > Another question I could ask is what about
> > something like this: Seeing the empty parking
> > spot has caused me to think that he is not here.
> > Which conjunction would I use in a sentence like
> > "I think he's not here because his car is not
> > here" -- the one for causation or the one for
> > inference?
>
> Inference.

Is this a logical point, or a case of idiomatic usage
contrary to strict logic?  I could rephrase the above
idea as "the absence of his car has caused me to
infer that he is not home" which could give us two
different results:

C: He's gone jqoqj his car is gone.
D: I have inferred that he's gone woqj his car is
gone.

Right?  (And if not, why not?)

> > He doesn't think so jqoqj he would have said so.
> > He doesn't think so woqj he was never told so.
> > He doesn't think so sxoqj he doesn't have a brain.
>
> Actually, the last sentence would use "sxoqn",
> logical proof "therefore" rather than "because".
> And more likely still it would use "jqoqn".

"He doesn't think so because he doesn't have a brain
(to think at all)".  Why wouldn't it be a form of
because?  His absence of brain has caused him not
to hold said opinion, or any opinion for that matter.

As for "logical proof" compared to causation, we
could imagine the following:

Q: Holding a specific opinion requires the
   ability to hold opinions in general.
W: Holding an opinion is a function of thinking.
E: Men require brains to think.
R: He is a man.
T: He doesn't have a brain.

From this we can conclude that a man requires
a brain to hold the specific opinion in question,
and that "he" requires a brain to hold this opinion,
and that he does not hold this opinion (he doesn't
think so) as the logical consequence of the absence
of brain in his skull.  One could question some of
my theses - for example, some might say that men
are capable of thought before they are born or
after they die, and without a brain -- so E could
be called into question.  However, within my
conception of the universe, the absence of opinion
logically follows from the absence of brain.  If
theological "reasonable doubt" is a reason to use woqj
instead of sxoqj, then I cannot think of any sentence
which could use sxoqj which would not be a tautology.

For reference:
  woqj - A because B (A  is actually caused by  B)
 jqoqj - A because B (the speaker infers A from B)
 sxoqj - A because B (A  logically follows from B)

Amike salutas,
Thomas/Tomaso ALEXANDER.
www.NightinGael.Net
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