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AUXLANG August 2005, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Causal or explanatory conjunctions

From:

Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:32:48 -0400

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On 8/14/05, Thomas Alexander <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Saluton Jim (Henry),
> 
> > If you're explicitly explaining that you think X
> > because Y, you could use "sxoqj" to emphasize the
.....

> Interesa nuanco.  Gxi iel memorigas min pri la
> diferenco en la germana inter "Er sagt, dass er
> eine Maus hat" kaj "Er sagt, dass er eine Maus
> habe" (li diras, ke li havas muson.) En la dua,
> la parolanto ne nepre kredas la dirajxon de tiu "li."

La unua "hat" estas indikativo, cxu ne?
Je kiu modo/tempo estas "habe"?

> > > "He doesn't think so because he doesn't have a
> > > brain (to think at all)".
> [...]
> > I read it as "X is so self-evident that anyone with
> > a brain thinks X. He doesn't think X. Therefore, he
> > doesn't have a brain." This would probably use
> > "jqoqn" (inference-therefore) if one is merely
> > implying that X is fairly obvious without being
> > quite self-evident, but "sxoqn" (logical-therefore)
> > might be appropriate if the speaker thinks X is
> > truly self-evident, or for emphatic irony.
> 
> Mi komencas vidi la valoron de tiaj subjunkcioj por
> eviti tiajn miskomprenojn kiajn ni jxus spertis en
> nia diskuto.  Ankaux utilus verbofinajxon por montri
> ironion aux metaforon... almenaux en "logika" lingvo
> aux esplora artlingvo, sed certe ne en helplingvo.

Nu, gj-zym-byn ja havas metafor-montran afikson
"-ga", kiu povas uzigxi aux cxe verboj aux cxe
substantivoj aux cxe modifiloj.  Mi ne pensas,
ke tia partikulo aux afikso estus malutila en 
ideala helplingvo; sed gxi estu ne-deviga elekteblajxo,
samkiel la partikuloj por tempo, aspekto, modo,
nombro, difiniteco, -- kaj cxion alian, kion
montras per fleksioj Esperanto, Ido,
Interlingua kaj aliaj euxrop-imit-lingvoj.

Via ideo pri afikso por montri ironian intencon
estas bona; mi eble enkondukos afikson tian en
gzb, aux pli versxajne adverban partikulon.

Eble ironio estas unu el la modoj markitaj
en la filozofia lingvo Ithkuil; mi devos rekontroli.
Mi pensas, ke helplingvo povus prunti
multon bonan el Ithkuil - sed gxiaj devigaj 
mutaciaj fleksioj  nepre igxu memstaraj, 
nedevigaj partikuloj en tia lingvo.

-- 
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/conlang.htm
...Mind the gmail Reply-to: field

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