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AUXLANG  August 2005, Week 3

AUXLANG August 2005, Week 3

Subject:

Re: World Language.

From:

Thomas Alexander <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:54:40 -0700

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Heya Cuz!

> Thanks for the trailer, C Thom, since we are also
> discussing pigs and movies. However, I remain the
> sole entity behind LangX (http://langx.org), with
> no Company as yet.

Surely this did not all come to you in a vacuum.
Oh well, I guess I just liked the sound of "and
Company."

> There is also evidence that the human brain is
> optimally designed for a single language.

Interesting.  At the same time, it is undeniable
that multilingualism is at least as common as
monolingualism.  I can easily imagine that this is
a fairly recent development which would not have been
imaginable before the agricultural revolution.  Of
course, we have learned to do a lot of unnatural
things since the agricultural revolution - like
living in cities where we constantly see people we
don't talk to - so I would caution against reading
too much into this.

> But as for your other assertion, that language
> originates from the brain-stem, I am as agnostic
> about this as about your grunting protolanguage.
> It’s certainly an interesting idea. Do you have
> any scientific evidence to support it?

Jim V was certainly talking out of a part of his body
somewhat removed from the brain stem when he made
this assertion, but my guess is that he was talking
about the "language center" of the brain - which is
a center within the upper brain.  This is a well
substantiated concept.  I recall Pinker wrote about
it.  I've also seen discussions that this part of
the brain is also used by Deaf people to process
sign language.  I also recall reading a study about
the parts of the bilingual brain which are active
when processing language.  If it's an early bilingual,
both languages are processed in the "language center."
A late bilingual will process the first language in
the language center, but the second language
elsewhere.  I am sorry that I do not have a reference
for you.

> Nobody ever knows their second language as well as
> their mother tongue - their principal link to
> communicable knowledge - unless their second
> language develops into their mother tongue (as
> sometimes happens). I’d bet even Cousin Thomas
> is better at Scrabble in English than in German
> (against equivalent opposition).

This is an oversimplification.  Using a language is
not just one skill.  It is a diverse set of skills.
It is not uncommon that I will confront something
which I know better in Esperanto than in English.
(Granted, it is far more common the other way around.)
There is no doubt that my English Scrabble game
improved when I started working on my German game
(witness the fact that nobody will play against me
as I am now too good for the casual player, yet not
even worth the time of day to even lowliest of club
player - even at my peak), but I am certain that if
I kept it up, I could reach the point where I am
better at Scrabble in German than in English.

Lest anybody should think this is pointless bragging,
I will point out that several things are required to
be a great Scrabble player, yet one of them is *not*
a great general vocabulary.  You are never required
to define a word in Scrabble, and as I pointed out in
my recent note to Don "Fulmine" Gasper, it doesn't
pay to know words which never present themselves in
the tiles, and it pays a lot to learn how to recognize
those obscure words which will.  I don't have to be
able to define KONTOS or SKONTO, just to be able to
see that the word is there among the letters in a
rack like AKNOOST.

> Yes, but much - probably most - communication isn’t
> of such a high order of significance that it must
> be delivered via a complex grammar;

A lost tourist really wants to know whether he's
supposed to take the road behind the tree and not
the road the tree is behind.  (To adapt an example,
from Pinker, I believe.)  Grammar matters.

> I found that the single word “comeda” would elicit
> directions to a simple establishment serving steak,
> frijoles and rice.

I'm reminded of when my wife (pregnant and on unknown
drugs in a German hospital, not speaking more than a
word or two of German) picked up a dictionary and said
"feel-foreign-heart-fast". I'll grant that this worked
better than grunting and pointing would have.  Then
again, I've seen grunting and pointing work.  I don't
think it's what we should be aiming for, though.

> that the average child doesn’t start off by uttering
> complex sentences. 

Even children who speak in only two-word sentences
follow rules of how to put these two words together.

Amike salutas,
Thomas/Tomaso ALEXANDER.
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