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CONLANG  August 2005, Week 3

CONLANG August 2005, Week 3

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Re: No more plural? No, more plural!

From:

Remi Villatel <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:57:35 +0200

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tomhchappell wrote:

> By the way, later in that thread you'll see people recommended 
> Greville G. Corbett's book "Number" to me.  I can now recommend it to 
> you; it discusses some of these questions with great clarity.

I'll think about it when Shaquelingua will be "finished"... well, when 
its grammar will be stable --if it ever will. Right now, I'm avoiding 
like a plague any form of paper on grammar. I want Shaquelingua to look 
like alien so my imagination is my only inspiring "book" and I still 
have a lot of pages to read! Besides, I hate the grammarians.  ;-)

	[---CUT---]
> Nice.  Marking the "determiner" (or "article") -- a newish idea, to 
> me -- rather than either the verb or the noun (strategies I mentioned 
> in that post you referred to.)

Not so new for me since almost everything is marked on the determiner 
(quantifier) in Shaquelingua: number/quantity, gender, case and even 
more. It's even less than new since --apparently-- I kind of rewrote the 
system of determiners from spoken French. I struck me the day before 
yesterday while I was reading some web-paper on grammar. I started to 
hate the grammarians at this very moment, I don't know why... ;-)

	[---CUT---]
>>indefinite:
>>             COLL:DU     z(#)    a couple/pair of
>>             DSTR:DU     s(#)    each of two
>>             COLL:PL     r(#)    all of several
>>             DSTR:PL     g(#)    each of several
>>definite:
>>             COLL:DU     tx(#)   the couple/pair of
>>             DSTR:DU     kx(#)   each of the two
>>             COLL:PL     vr(#)   all the
>>             DSTR:PL     kv(#)   each of the
>>Where (#) represents the case marking.
> 
> 
> Looks really, really nice.  
> The kind of thing I'd want to "steal", 
> if it were stealing from a natlang.

You're welcome. Apart from the collective/distributive distinction, it's 
plain French or German. Two languages that I know and that carry some 
kind of marking on the determiners, although none are as compact as 
Shaquelingua can be.

	[---CUT---]
>>(Interlinear lexicon and explanations are here:
>>http://perso.normandnet.fr/maxilys/cakesar/gram-12.html

> Nice site.

Thank you.

>>Do not wander in the rest of the site which is outdated.)

> Just because it's "outdated" doesn't mean it doesn't have some 
> interesting ideas!

Errr... I plead guilty. I knew that people would sneak around just 
because I said "Don't go". That's what I always do.

	[---CUT---]
> I understood about the difference between 
> "each of ..." and "some of ..." DISTR plurals.
> But you might want to make it clearer to the user of the language
> how that distinction is marked in Shaquiean.

Be patient. Right now, I'm re-working the pronouns to introduce the new 
Rational/Irrational distinction. I'm also cooking some alien mixture in 
order that the quantifiers don't look so "Europaish"... and there's that 
fifth page on shaquean grammar that I can't finish writing because I 
spend too much time restarting from the begining all over again.

Lot of work in the pipe and still only 24 hours per day. I asked for 36 
but nobody listened.

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