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CONLANG  October 2005, Week 3

CONLANG October 2005, Week 3

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Re: Phonological questions, bunch 2

From:

John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:16:20 +0300

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--- In [log in to unmask], R A Brown wrote:
> > Now, creation of nasal stops from nasal vowels would be more like it...
>
>It happens, of course, when a language without nasal vowels borrows from 
>one that has them. Altho some Brits carefully pronounce the French nasal 
>vowels, most do not in borrowings. So 'envelope' is commonly /'Qnv@l@wp/ 
>(except by people like me that fully anglicize to /'Env@l@wp/), and 'raison 
>d'Ítre' becomes /rEz@n'dEtr@/ (with English /r/), etc.

By "creation" I meant the creation of a phoneme, not that of a phone. Tho 
your example is still interesting too. Was the word really borrowed after 
the elision of the original /n/?

Yet another side question ... where does it stem to analyze English 
diphthongs phonemically as vowel + glide? Isn't <oy> the only one which is 
historically not descended from a long vowel? And since not all vowel + 
glide combinations are even possible - /ew/ strikes me as the primary 
asymmetry - I'd think analyzing them as nuclei was more logical than as 
rimes.
I used the transcription /aI eI oI aU oU/ until I was pointed out that plain 
/I U/ are phonemically lax and thus /ai ei oi au ou/ matches the phonemic 
structure better.

Now, _Finnish_ rising diphthongs are more clearly analyzeable as 
vowel+glide... the system is completely symmetrical, and syllabe structure 
also supports this analysis (CVCC and CVVC are allowed, but CVVCC occurs 
only in loan words.)

John Vertical

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