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CONLANG October 2005, Week 4

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Re: CHAT sedecimal

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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Mark J. Reed wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Indeed.  It seems that "sextidecimal" may have been the actual rejected 
> form.  My apologies for spreading misinformation, if such it was.

I don't think you need apologize. I too have seen references to 
'sexadecimal' being rejected by IBM in the 1960s IIRC. I've also seen 
references to 'sexidecimal' and 'sextidecimal' - but these seem to me to 
be less specific. My impression is that some 40+ years later, some 
apocryphal stories have crept in amongst the true ones   :)

Continued browsing has thrown up yet another variant: hexadecadic!

Now all the morphemes in _hexadecadic_ are derived from Greek - but the 
assemblage is weird. *hexadikadikos would surely mean "pertaining to six 
groups of ten".

The ancient Greek for 16 was 'hekkaideka' and a collective noun 
'hekkaidekas' (genitive: hekkaidekados) is attested. That would give the 
adjective 'hekkaidekadikos' which would be Latinized as 
'heccaedecadicus'. But for some reason, I don't think *heccaedicadic or 
an Americanized *heccedecadic would catch on   ;)

Oh dear - sedecimal, sexadecimal, sexidecimal, sextidecimal, 
hexadecimal, hexadecadic, *heccedecadic........

As Mark J. Reed also wrote:
[snip]

 >  It's hardly a given
 > that any name would be so treated; after all, one hardly ever hears the
 > corresponding abbreviations of "decimal", "octal", or "binary"[1].  It's
 > true that "sextidecimal" is rather more unwieldy than any of those, but
 > I suspect it would get abbreviated to "sexti" rather than "sex".

[snip]
 > [1] Odd collection of words, isn't it?  "binary" comes from a
 > distributional number, "decimal" from an ordinal number, and "octal"  .
 > . . well, "octal" is just weird.

Yes, the whole thing is a bit of a mess really. We have the -ary words 
derived from Latin distributional numbers. These in fact hark back to 
Classical formations, cf.
bini (pl) "two each" --> binarius "consisting of two"
terni (pl) "three each" --> ternarius "consisting of three"
etc.

Such adjectives exist both in English and Latin right up to 
'denarius'/'denary'.

The English 'unary' is an analogical formation. The Latin for 'one each" 
is _singuli_ from which was derived 'singularius' "consisting of one". 
But I can well understand why 'unary' is preferred to *singulary!

We also a full set, so to speak, for 1 to 10 derived from Greek 
collective nouns:
monas "a unit" (group of 1!) --> monadic
dyas "a group of 2" --> dyadic
trias "a group of 3" --> triadic
etc

Then there are, as Mark says, the odd forms derived from Latin ordinals 
with the formative suffix -al:
decimus "10th" --> decimal
duodecimus "12th" -->duocecimal
vigesimus "20th" --> vigesimal
etc.

And of course the just weird "octal" - besides the four 'well-formed' 
alternatives: _octonary_, _octaval_, _octadic_ and _ogdoadic_.

Yep, even in ancient Greek we find both 'ogdoas' (earlier) and 'oktas' 
(later) = "group of 8"     :)

I recall a similar thread on this list a few years back, with 
contributions from John Cowan.

Ray
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