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CONLANG November 2005, Week 4

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Re: Elomi!

From:

Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:04:57 -0500

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> I included "emelika" (America) in my unofficial Elomi
> dictionary at http://fiziwig.com/mcguf1.html
>
> Are these recognizable? (remember 'x' is 'sh')
>

Elomi has three 'subclasses' of name (and, for that matter, other
lexicals): native Elomi, which follow the morphological rules of Elomi
perfectly; completely foreign, which break the grammatical class and
word boundary rules; and quasi-foreign, which merely use foreign phonemes
and/or disallowed consonant clusters (which is any except two-letter
clusters that begin with 'n'). (I need better terms for these two
classes of 'foreign'.) See sample sentences 85 & 86.

So "America" could be "emerika" and be quasi-foreign, but I would think
that it would need a real Elomi name, and "emelika" would fit fine.
Similarly, "exapanu" would be better than "ecapanu". But I don't know
how to decide,
other than by gut feeling,
when a name is "important" enough that it merits a real Elomi name.

You guys keep making me have to think! Here's my take on it:

> emexiko (or emekiko)
Mexico

> exapanu (if there were a "ch" sound for the
> voiced/unvoiced j/ch i could be "echapanu" which would
> be a little closer)
Japan

> edeteloto emixikana
Detroit, Michigan

If we're using the foreign phoneme "d", then we might as well allow a consonant
cluster here, too:

edetroto u emixikana

(I think we need "u" between the subordinate political entity and the
superordinate.
And yet I don't feel that way when it comes to given and family names. Hmmm...)

Or go Elomi all the way:

eteloto u emixikana

I have a sense about how consonant clusters would be adapted into Elomi,
but I'm not ready to write it down yet (in other words, I haven't
thought it through;
I will look at the Toki Pona-isation site that Jim cited).

> emusixa esasekaxuna ekanata
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Canada

> eminapolo eminsota
Minneapolis, Minnesota

eminapolo u eminisota

> esanta efelansisko
San Francisco

I would probably not try to maintain the two separate words of the name:

esanfansisiko

or, quasi-foreign:

esanfransisko

> elosa enxelusa ekalifona
Los Angeles, California

elosanxele u ekalifona

> ekansasa enasiti (esiti?)
Kansas City

ekansasanasiti

I think of Kansas City as the name all of a piece, so it seems natural
to join the two pieces
up like a compound. To me. But

ekansasiti

would also work.

> emontelialo
???

> elondonu
London

> ebelinu exemoni
Berlin, Germany

epelinu u exemoni

or, quasi-foreign:

eberlinu u ecermani
or
eberlinu u edoclanta

>
> --gary
>

You'll note that quasi-foreign names still can't have semivowels or
consecutive vowels, and still must begin with "e" and end with a
vowel.

--larry

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