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CONLANG  January 2006, Week 3

CONLANG January 2006, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Yogh in the news

From:

Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:09:12 +0100

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R A Brown skrev:
> Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>>
>> The Longman Pronouncing Dictionary (JC Wells) gives /jQg/ or /joug/.
> 
> 
> Interesting. Chambers definitely gives a short 'o' and the final sound 
> as [x]. It would seem the dictionaries themselves are not agreed, which 
> surely is an indication that there is no single widely accepted 
> pronunciation.

I think Chambers is prescriptive and Longman descriptive in this case.
Perhaps I should also have pointed out that /jQg/ is given as the
British and /joug/ as the American pronunciation.

>>
>> I believe that if the Middle English word /jox/ had survived
>> it would have been pronounced /jou/ or /jau/, or maybe /jQf/.
> 
> 
> Yes - it would now be spelled 'yough' and whether 'twas /jou/ or /jQf/ 
> would depend upon which of the competing dialect pronunciations made its 
> way into standard English for that particular word. But /au/ (and /Vf/) 
> surely derive from those spellings of -ough which represented /ux/ 
> rather than /ox/.

<slaps head> I should have known that!

> 
>> I'm afraid any pronunciation with /G/ is entirely unhistorical
>> since ME |gh| spelled /x/; /G/ had become /j/ or /w/ already in
>> late Old English times.
> 
> 
> Quite so. I assume those modern pronunciations with [G] are spelling 
> pronunciations   ;-)

Yes.  I guess the most correct modern pronunciation would be /jQx/jOx/
with /-f/ for those who (strangely) can't manage [x]!

You wrote earlier:

 >
 > Yep - in England, at any rate, /x/ is commonly pronounced [k]. The major
 > exception is the painter Van Gogh who is normally (tho not by me)
 > pronounced as though the last name were written 'Gough', i.e. /gQf/  ;)
 >

I say [fAn 'xox] but have usually to "explain" it as [gog] to
other Swedes.  They are ignorant of Dutch spelling of course.

-- 

/BP 8^)>
--
Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se

         Solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant!
                                             (Tacitus)

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