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CONLANG  January 2006, Week 5

CONLANG January 2006, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Non-linear full-2d writing (again)

From:

Jefferson Wilson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:55:56 -0700

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Paul Bennett wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:52:29 -0500, Jefferson Wilson  
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>>>> 1 2 3
>>>>  \|/
>>>> 4-O-5
>>>>  /|\
>>>> 6 7 8
>>
>> This shows a system made up of paired (2) connections.  "\" (link)  
>> connects to "1" and "O."  "O" only has one connection, to link.  Also 
>> in  this scheme "2" cannot immediately link to "5" since it becomes  
>> indeterminate whether that also links "2" to "3" or "O."
> 
> Again, you're thinking in complicated and obfuscated mathematical 
> jargon.

No I'm thinking about what is needed to convey information.  If 
you have another definition, feel free to define it.  If you 
don't provide a definition then there's no way I can use it or 
understand what you're getting at.

> Look at it as a purely graphical device. Forget the specialized 
> technical  meanings you have learned for words like "connection" and 
> "link" and think  of it as you might if you were an ordinary, average 
> schoolchild, learning to write using that system. O is 
> (non-technically) connected to eight  other objects, by means of the 
> eight lines which each lead to one of them.

So what?  This is a discussion about the theory _behind_ 
"arbitrary degree of connection."  Supply your definition or 
theory, and I'll use it (to the extent it makes sense).  Until 
you do I _have_ to use the definition that I'm familiar with.

An average schoolchild doesn't see any need to include a "'" in 
"won't" or, indeed, to use any punctuation whatsoever.  Does that 
mean the average schoolchild is correct in so doing?

> Most people do not conlang based on the axioms of information theory. I  
> don't see why we should be con-scripting based on the axioms of map  
> theory.

We AREN'T con-scripting.  We're THEORIZING ABOUT conscripting. 
If you can't see how map theory applies to conscripting theory I 
pity you.

If you want to talk about con-scripting, feel free to address my 
Glyphica Arcana 
(http://www.meanspc.com/~jeff_wilson63/myths/BabelTarot.html) and 
explain why I shouldn't have restricted connections per glyph to 
six, or how further connections could be added without adding to 
interpretation time, or anything else you please.  Until you 
bring in a real example though, we're talking THEORY not PRACTICE!

> If you're a loglanger, or potentially some other kind of  
> engelanger, they're admirable goals to be sure, but for the rank and 
> file  they're somewhat lofty and obscure, and IMO ought to remain so, 
> lest our  craft become nothing more than a science.

 From your response, I've done my part.  I've explained my what I 
mean.  You have totally failed to explain what _you_ mean.

-- 
Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/myths/

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