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CONLANG February 2006, Week 1

Subject:

Re: CHAT Graeca sine flexione (was: Greek plosives)

From:

Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:19:16 +0100

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On 2/5/06, Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Philip Newton chi gráfi:
>
> > Or how about going the neuter route and using the article _ta_ and a
> > noun ending -a?
>
> Article _ta_ is OK, but if we still need a suffix for pl. on nouns, it may well
> be _-s_ - see acc. pl.

Acc. pl. of masculine nouns -- neuter nouns have -a, which was what I
based that on. I suppose it depends on the model you take. Or maybe
-es on the basis of MG fem. acc. pl. as well as masc. acc. pl. of
previously third-declension nouns?

> > > Oh yes, what about deponential verbs and verbs in -mi? I see MG mostly
> > > substitute them.
> >
> > I'd vote to integrate the ones in -mi into ones in -o.
>
> As the example above? AG _didomi_ > MG _dino_ > GSF _díni_? Sounds fine.

Or _dídi_ (also an alternative in MG).

> Shall we still have longer stem in case "N charis, G charitos, A charin" - that
> is "chari" as in MG, or "charita" by analogy with "elpida"?

Ah, a good question. If we go strictly by the "acc.pl." route, it'd be
"chari", probably.

> > I feel we've give this quite an airing, shown how the sort of way it
> > could go and also thrown up some of the problems involved. I feel we
> > have, may be, given ideas for possible conlangs.
>
> I agree. I may stop at this stage. It was refreshing, anyway. Thanks to all
> participants.

And from me. Interesting how a throw-away comment generated such a
wonderful discussion :)

> >  >>ACTIVE & PASSIVE
> >  >>here I am stuck. MG still uses synthetic passives. Obviously GSF cannot.
> >  >>All the above, of course, is indicative - no problem. Could the passive
> >  >>be formed using an auxiliary verb such as 'receive' or 'suffer'?
> >  >
> >  > Or "become", as in German?
> >
> > Yes, indeed. I quite like it.
>
> Ok, but caveat: _ginomai_ is deponent.

In MG, though, its aorist stem is active in form, though: _tha ginei,
egine_. So one could simply make it into _gíni_ in GSF, I think.

> > Like Isaac, I feel I now need a break - besides my Brsc/Piashi is
> > becoming more and more neglected    :=(
>
> Let us shake hands, and wish all the best one to another. Actual conlanging is
> waiting, to say nothing about the Real Life™...

All the best!

Me kaló cheretismós,
--
Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

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