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CONLANG  February 2006, Week 1

CONLANG February 2006, Week 1

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Re: Distinct conjunctions for subordinate clauses in different case relations to main clause

From:

Kit La Touche <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:21:19 -0500

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On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Henrik Theiling wrote:
> Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>> ...
>> Do any natlangs y'all know of have a similar distinction in their
>> subordinate-clause conjunctions?  Can you think of other case-role
>> distinctions that might be made in clausal conjunctions?
>
> Maybe Japanese?  I don't know it good enough, though.

There are two main ways to make subordinate clauses in Japanese:  
there's the quotative marker, *to*, as in:

anzen	da		to		omou
safe		COP	QUOT	feel
"I feel that it's safe."

And then there's making a relative clause headed by *no*, a pronominal:

inu	ga		sakana	wo		taberu	no		suki	da
dog	SUBJ	fish		OBJ		eat		PRO	like	COP
"I like when the dog eats fish."

(Weird examples, just what i could come up with off the top of my head.)

I don't think that either of these are quite relevant, if I  
understood the original poster correctly.  But I could be wrong.

> I perceive 'that' not as marking case on clauses, but as transforming
> a clause into a noun phrase.  Put this way, the clausal noun phrase is
> still unmarked for case, yes, and the difference is only maybe one of
> view.  IIRC, Japanese then adds case markers after the conjunction.

 From the point of view of the formalism I adhere to, this use of  
"that" is as a complementizer, heading a complementizer phrase which  
can act as a complement to a verb phrase.  Case isn't assigned to the  
C.P. at all, though there can be some side effects on case in the  
subordinate clause; if you're familiar with X-bar theory broadly, but  
not this particular issue, a google for exceptional case marking  
might turn some things up.

> **Henrik
> -- Relay 13 is running:
> http://www.conlang.info/relay/relay13.html

Kit La T

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