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AUXLANG  February 2006, Week 4

AUXLANG February 2006, Week 4

Subject:

Re: The most important auxlang task

From:

Dana Nutter <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:10:03 -0500

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li [Antony Alexander] mi tulis la

> Andrew Nowicki replied,    Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:38:31 -0500
> 
> > Who needs a steel ax when the stone axes are
> > thoroughly proven?
> 
> The stone axe is thoroughly proven, and proven to be inferior 
> to the steel axe. The oligosynthetic 
> axe, constructed from ideal composite material at the 
> technological cutting-edge, has yet to make 
> the transition from perfection in theory to superiority in practice!
> 
> Youíve had a bit of a rough ride on this forum, Andrew, and I 
> donít suppose that it is because you 
> are particularly thick-skinned or masochistic that you keep 
> coming back for more. No, you 
> honestly seem to believe that your essential idea is the 
> optimal basis for a universal auxlang.
> 
> Obviously most people here would disagree, and several have 
> given reasons. Jens Wilkinson has 
> identified what I would agree is the crux of the problem: 
> your compounding approach doesnít 
> relate to the way in which the average person actually uses language. 

Precisely the point.  A language may contain contructions which are
unfamilar to some but should still be kept natural.


> This is essentially the same reason why I would consider 
> word-class inflections a la Esperanto 
> superfluous in an initial IAL. Popular speech is defined more 
> by ellipsis than inclusion. Where a 
> word or affix is understood, people will normally to leave it 
> out. Itís amother aspect of Zipfís law - 
> the saving of breath and unnecessary articulation. 
> Correspondingly, itís no accident that those 
> historically-successful regional IALs we now call pidgins 
> tended to employ this abbreviated model.

Again, this is a good point.  I think IAL designers need to take a good
look at natural languages and particularly pidgins and creoles which
developed from a similar need for communication between people who spoke
different languages.  Looking at a language like Tok Pisin would be a
good start.


> If Esperanto is over-elaborate for a Level One IAL, Ygyde is 
> hyper-elaborate. But that doesnít 
> mean it has no value. I wouldnít even lump it with those 
> conlangs which seem to have no practical 
> application in this part of the galaxy. In fact, I would be 
> willing to accept that Ygyde, or the basic 
> thesis behind it, could turn out to be useful in certain 
> specialised technical areas - as where subtle 
> gradations in the use of technical terminology and jargon are 
> required. But as - or in - an auxlang 
> for the general population, no, I donít think so.

Also a good overview.  Ygyde as an auxlang for humans makes no sense to
me at all because of its structure, but I could see where it could
become a good interlanguage to be used between humans and machines in
some manner.

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