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AUXLANG  February 2006, Week 4

AUXLANG February 2006, Week 4

Subject:

Re: [drifting OT] The most important auxlang task

From:

Matthew Barnett <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:36:42 +0000

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Andrew Nowicki wrote:
> Matthew Barnett wrote:
> 
> 
>> So Ygyde is full of parentheses too? :-)
> 
> 
> Yes. It can have plenty of parentheses, for example to separate 
> clauses in a sentence. The left parenthesis is spelled "e" and the 
> right one is spelled "y".
> 
> 
>> One point I forgot to mention was that it may not be necessary to 
>> have short roots.
>> 
>> Short roots are needed only when you're doing a lot of compounding,
>> but such compounds tend to be either too long or too imprecise, so
>> it would be useful to have 'abbreviations', i.e. words standing 
>> for well-defined (and long) common compounds.
>> 
>> If an abbreviation occurs more often than a root, then, according 
>> to Zipf's law, it would be shorter. For example, if the word 
>> 'bread' occurred more often than the root 'foam', then it could be
>> shorter.
>> 
>> So you needn't restrict all your roots to a CV structure, which, in
>> my opinion, is forcing you to have too few of them.
> 
> 
> If a file compression program is used, it would have to be used to 
> abbreviate the entire words rather than roots, which are shorter.
> 
Not necessarily; a file compression program would look for repeated
sequences of characters, irrespective of whether they were roots or just
chance sequences. This is something we'd have to test. (Is there such a
thing as "heuristic linguistics"? :-))

> I suspect that such a program could abbreviate a word into something 
> like "kggrta". You are right that the most common roots should be the
> shortest. I would also say that the most common words should be the
> shortest. (The most common Ygyde words are one letter long and three
> letters long.) If some roots are much more common than other roots it
> means that the root set was not selected correctly -- I paid lots of
> attention to this issue. When a compound word is made of roots of
> different length, it is difficult to tell where one root ends and
> another root begins.
> 
I can't agree that it's simply a case of the roots not being "correctly
selected"; life's not like that!

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