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AUXLANG  February 2006, Week 4

AUXLANG February 2006, Week 4

Subject:

Re: The most important auxlang task

From:

Dana Nutter <[log in to unmask]>

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[log in to unmask]

Date:

Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:48:54 -0500

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--- In [log in to unmask], Andrew Nowicki <simple_language@...>
wrote:

> The pro rata allocation would result in a new word
> familiarity rate of about 10% -- not something to
> boast about.

72.758% of all statistics are made up on the spot, as is this one along
with the one above.  In any case, let's use 10% just for the sake of
argument.  That's still easier than 0%.  At 10%, you've just reduced the
learning time to 90% of what it previously was.


> Antony Alexander wrote:
> 
> > The reason for this should be quite obvious: the prime
> > movers of the IAL will not be impecunious idealists living
> > in garrets, but rather multinational corporations wishing
> > to extend the reach of their advertising slogans and brand
> > names and politicians wishing to propagandise transnational
> >ideology. And whether the interests involved are mainly
> > private or public, capitalist or socialist, they will still
> > have their roots in the dominant political forces of the
> > present-day and recent past, which are of course Western
> > rather than Eastern, English rather than Chinese.
> 
> I do respect your intelligence and your historical arguments,
> but your historical arguments do not tell the whole story.
> 
> When a new standard is not much better than the old standard,
> most people prefer using the old standard. Esperanto (and
> nearly all other conauxlangs = artificial auxlangs) is
> superior to the English language, but it is not superior
> enough to persuade many people to learn Esperanto. 

How is Esperanto "superior" to English.  English dominates the globe
like now other language ever has providing communication around the
globe and across cultures.  If you mean Esperanto is easier to learn as
a second language, then maybe you have something but I wouldn't call
that "superiority".   At best, Esperanto has only a couple of million
speakers and until the day comes when you can actually hear people using
it on the streets I wouldn't consider it even a competitor.

> A new
> conauxlang can seriously challenge English language only if it
> is easier to learn by an order of magnitude or so. My own tests
> indicate that an oligosynthetic (Ygyde-like compound language)
> auxlang may indeed be easier to learn than English by an order
> of magnitude. This is why I am urging other auxlangers to run
> tests in order to find out how much time it takes to memorize
> oligosynthetic compound words.

> 
> Here are three examples of a new standard replacing old standard:
> 
> For many centuries people measured lengths with their own feet.
> They also used a variety of mutually incompatible units of
> weight and volume. The system worked well enough until the
> industrial revolution forced engineers to perform numerous
> physical calculations. 


> The flaws of the system became so
> obvious that metric units replaced the old units. Note that
> the metric units were not based on the old units (they were
> as abstract as the Ygyde auxlang)

No they were not based upon the old measurements, they were allegedly
based upon the "meter" which at the time was supposed to be the distance
of the earth from the North Pole to the Equator divided by 10,000,000 so
there was still some sort of "natural" foundation.  

> and they were not pioneered
> by the dominant political force -- England.

No, the other imperialist of the day.  The French!

The only real advantage of the metric system is it's decimal base for
everything that eases our decimal-thinking minds when computing
measurements as opposed to other systems which often had no single base
so we are stick with: 12" = 1', 3' = 1 yard,  etc.  

> When music was made with the first electronic instruments, these
> instruments mimicked traditional instruments, mostly piano. The
> "best" instruments were advertised as sounding like "real piano."
> Nowadays most music is composed on computers. A software
> instrument does not have to sound like the old fashioned physical
> instrument to be respectable. Musical instruments became as
> abstract as Ygyde.

As a music lover, and like many other music lovers, the raw sound of
real instruments played by talented performers can not even be compared
to machine-made prolefeed like techno, industrial, or even most pop.
Machines may be good tools for composers to use when playing with ideas,
but not for a finished product.


> When TV and cell phones were invented in the USA, other countries
> did not adopt U.S. standards. They invented their own standards
> which do not resemble U.S. standards and are superior to the U.S.
> standards. Today the quality of TV and cell phone reception in the
> U.S. is grossly inferior to that of Japan and Europe.

[drifting O.T.] The U.S. is usually the first to popularize technology
so the earliest standards tend to grab hold here first.  PAL is not
necessarily "better" than NTSC.  PAL has a higher resolution (625 lines
v. 525), but also has a slower scan rate (25 v. 30).  Europeans may not
be able to tell the difference but I could notice the flicker on PAL
televisions.  Likewise or the phone standards.  Most in the telecom
industry consider the CDMA/TDMA technology used in North America to be
better than the GSM standard used throughout rest of the world (*we also
have GSM in the U.S.) but GSM does offer some flexibility that the
others don't.  There are often tradeoffs to everything.  "Superior" will
often vary according to needs.

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