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AUXLANG March 2006, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Self-Segregating Morphology

From:

"Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:56:58 -0800

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Larry Sulky skribis je 2006.03.17 5.30 ptm...
> On 3/17/06, Rex May <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>>I know of two methods of self-segregating morphology.  The Loglan/Lojban
>>method, where morphemes are in the form (C)V(V) or CVCCV/CCVCV, and my
>>Tceqli method, where everything is in the form nCnV, a method also used in
>>Guaspi.
>>
>>My question is, what other possible methods are there?  And what advantages
>>and disadvantages do they have?  This is all to the end of answering the
>>big question - is SSM worth it?
>>
> 
> Gee, there are lots.
> 
> The most important distinguishing characteristic among them, I
> believe, is how stable they are when delivered into the hands of
> speakers who care little about such niceties. If it seems natural to a
> speaker who is prone to coin words to do so within the confines of the
> morphological segregation rules, then the scheme will be pretty
> stable. If the rules are simple, that also helps stability.
> 
> The second-most important characteristic is how natural the scheme
> allows the language to sound. Loglan's and Txeqli's schemes both sound
> natural; a learner who wasn't told that these languages are
> self-segregating might go a long time without realising it. But
> speakers who were left to their own devices would probably start
> breaking Loglan's rules pretty quickly...they're rather subtle.
> Txeqli's are more ... hmm... instinctive. ilomi's rules are very
> stable and very obvious but don't sound as natural.
> 
> Now, what is self-segregation good for?
> 
> 1) Makes language design easier once things really start rolling. You
> don't have to backtrack and fuss forever in perfecting lexicon in
> order to maintain understandability and keep a handle on ambiguity.
> Following a fundamental architecture like this reduces the load on the
> designer, who is also the language builder.
> 
> 2) Makes morpheme boundary detection easier for learners -- mainly
> adult learners.
> 
> 3) Makes morpheme boundary detection easier for computers.
> 
> Is it worth it? If you're building a language by yourself, it can sure
> help. If you have people helping -- if your language can evolve
> rapidly in their hands -- it might not be so important because
> potentially ambiguous or troublesome situations can be detected and
> dealt with by more eager minds.
> 
> Making the language easier for adult learners is also very important.
> So why don't we automatically use SSM? Because no natural language
> does it and therefore no SSM scheme sounds as natural as a natural
> language.
> 
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that Chinese, spoken by approximately 
a fifth of the world's population, comes close with a CV{LC} limitation 
(where V can be a vowel or a diphthong, and {LC} is an optional final 
consonant from a limited set -- in the Putonghua, 'n' and 'r' -- any 
others?).

-- 
-- Don HARLOW
    http://donh.best.vwh.net/
    http://donh.best.vwh.net/Esperanto/Literaturo/Tarzan/
    http://www.harlows.org/don/

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