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AUXLANG  March 2006, Week 3

AUXLANG March 2006, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Self-Segregating Morphology

From:

Rex May <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:12:05 -0500

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:08:02 -0500, Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:

>On 3/20/06, Rex May <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>--SNIP---
>
>> Yes, SSM was coined (probably by JCB) to refer to morphemes only.   
Words are another matter.
>> I've heard it said that Mandarin speakers don't have much of a 'word' 
concept anyway, but have a
>> good feel for morphemes.   They certainly write morphemes instead of 
words, for the most part.
>>
>
>JCB might have meant to refer to morphemes, but in effect he created
>word-level SSM and not morpheme-level. Look how Loglan compounds are
>built: from arbitrarily chosen segments of root words, segments that
>are not morphemic in and of themselves. I don't have my text handy,
>but I remember he built a word for 'suitcase' out of pieces of the
>roots for 'travel' and 'box'. This was okay as a memory aid, but you
>couldn't look at the word for 'suitcase' and reliably decompose it.
>You could tell where the boundary between the pieces was, however, and
>that might be good enough.

Yes. I think the easiest way to describe the phenomenon is 'allomorph,' 
which, when you think about it, is a preposterous thing for an auxlang.  I 
first conceived of Tceqli, and its word-shape, it was for the express 
purpose of getting around allomorphs.  And I came up with 'sa' (then 'se') 
in order to keep morphemes from forming compounds. So it was initially a 
proposal to relex Loglan and avoid that allomorph nonsense.  Originally, I 
fully intended to make as few changes as possible otherwise, keeping the CV
(V) shape for little words. The whole idea went over like a lead balloon, 
tho Jim Carter was apparently inspired and took the nCnV idea and went on 
to make Guaspi with it, and Guaspi is still a predicate language.  I gave 
up on that idea for Tceqli some time ago, tho, to opt for its current 
pidgin-type grammar.

Oh, one reason I dropped the little word thing is that I realized that a 
lot of little words aren't really grammatical, but content words.  The 
discursives, the numbers, for example.  So I came up with 'si', which just 
converts whatever goes before into a quantifier, so you can have han si 
kala (one fish) or taq si kala (a handful of fish).

Loglan's great contribution was to make us think of how language actually 
works, a thing Eo never did at all (and didn't really intend to), so any 
auxlanger really should familiarize himself with Loglan, so as to do a 
better job.

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