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CONLANG  April 2006, Week 2

CONLANG April 2006, Week 2

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Re: Figure This Out

From:

Jeffrey Jones <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:40:27 -0400

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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:37:29 -0700, Arthaey Angosii <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:
> Dominant word order appears to be VSO, morphology agglutinating.
>
> My proposed wordlist:
>   ap "here"      no, but I'm glad you included "here"
>   etxa "want"    yes
>   fo "PST"       yes 
>   Hwan "John"    yes
>   kan "see"      yes
>   ko "I"         yes
>   kwe "POSS"   
>   mama "mother"  yes
>   pa "OBJ"       complementizer
>   pi "FUT"       yes
>   suna "sleep," "sleeping"  yes
>   tok "you"      given the erroneous text, yes, but see the correction
>   totz "us"    
>   tuad "FOC"   
>   tuperu "dog"   "the dog"
>   tzi "we"       yes
>
> I don't know what to call pa-, so I've glossed it as OBJ. But it also
> seems to mark secondary verbs, as in "Juan wants to see," etxa Hwan
> pakan. (Can kan "see" be intransitive in this language? What is this
> language's name, anyhow?)

|pa| is a complementizer. A given stem is either transitive, intransitive, 
or ditransitive. The language doesn't have a name yet; I've been calling it 
Delta. Suggestions are welcome!

> As for -kwe, which I've glossed as POSS, it's only translated into an
> English possessive once, in 1. But in 4 and 5, it can't mean just OBJ,
> unless it is in fact redundant with pa-, as in pakankwe.
>
> I'm not sure what tuad- is technically called. I've glossed it as FOC
> (focus).
Good, but not correct.

>Emaelivpeith Jeff Jones 'sa <[log in to unmask]>:
>> 1. fokan Hwan mamakwe
>>    Juan saw his mother.
>
>1) fo-kan Hwan mama-kwe
>   PST.see Juan mother.POSS
>
>> 2. kanko pasuna tuperu
>>    I see the dog sleeping.
>> 3. kopisuna
>>    I'll sleep (sometime).
>
>The similiarity between these two is -suna, which must mean "sleep."
>
>2) kan-ko pa-suna tuperu
>   see.I OBJ.sleep dog
>
>3) ko-pi-suna
>   I.FUT.sleep
>
>> 4. etxa Hwan pakankwe tuperu
>>    Juan wants to see the dog.
>> 5. Hwan tuadetxa pakankwe tuperu
>>    It's Juan that wants to see the dog.
>
> The similarities between these two are "Hwan (-)etxa pakankwe tuperu."
> The change of word order and the addition of tuad- must therefore be
> responsible for the change in meaning.
>
>4) etxa Hwan pa-kan-kwe tuperu
>   want Juan OBJ.see.POSS dog
>
>5) Hwan tuad-etxa pa-kan-kwe tuperu
>   Juan FOC.want OBJ.see.POSS dog
>
>> 6. appikantotz Hwan
>>    Juan will see us here.
>
>Appikantotz must mean "will see us here." Following from other
>information derived later, I break it down into:
>
>6) ap-pi-kan-totz Hwan
>   here.FUT.see.us Juan
>
>> 7. tzifosuna
>>    We slept.
>
>Because -suna means "sleep," "tzifo-" must mean "we.PST." After
>deciphering 8, this can be broken down into tzi "we" and fo- "PST."
>
>7) tzi-fo-suna
>   we.PST.sleep
>
>> 8. fokantzi mama Huan
>>    We saw Juan's mother.
>
>Both 7 and 8 have "we," and their only similiarity is tzi. Thus,
>fokan- must mean "we saw" and mama "mother." (Interesting coincidence?
>;) )
>
>8) fo-kan-tzi mama Hwan
>   saw.we mother Juan
>
> Why is "we slept" tzifosuna, with particle order subject-tense-verb,
> but it's "we saw" fokantzi, with particle order tense-verb-subject?
Note that "sleep" is intransitive and "see" is transitive.

>> 9. pikantok tuperu suna
>>    You'll see the sleeping dog.
>
> Pikantok must mean "you'll see." Perhaps it is word order than
> distinguishes the -suna "sleep" (as a verbal form) in 2, 3, and 7 from
> suna "sleeping" (as an adjective).
yes

> In 8 above, possessives like "Juan's mother" view Juan as an adjective
> of "mother."
no

>9) pi-kan-tok tuperu suna
>   FUT.see.you dog sleeping
>
> And to see if I really got this down, here's my try at some new sentences:
>
> 10) Etxa mama Hwan pakantotz.
>   Juan's mother wanted to see us.
etxa mama Hwan pakwekantzi --- I *think*

> 11) Etxako pasuna.
>   I want to sleep.
etxak pakwesuna

> 12) Apfosunatok.
>   You slept here.
>
> Am I close? :)
close

>
>--
>AA
>http://conlang.arthaey.com
>=========================================================================

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