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Subject:

Re: Case names in Thagojian

From:

Raik Lorenz <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:43:38 -0400
> Von: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Case names in Thagojian
> WARNING: PLEASE OVERRIDE THE REPLY-TO SETTING AND REPLY TO THE LIST, NOT
> TO 
> ME!
> 
> Thagojian is Split-S -- that is, it has a split between Ergative and 
> Accusative verbs based on the lexical meaning of the verb (rather than the
> semantics of the situation). For instance "hunt" is always Nominative, and
> "be/make red" is always Ergative.
> 
> There are three cases, one used for Sa and A, one used for Sp and P, and 
> one used for all O roles (and possession), which are differentiated by 
> adpositions. Actually, the situation with adpositions is a tiny bit more 
> complicated than that, since verbs of motion may take either a location or
> a target, and (inspired by German) adpos+P marks locations, and adpos+O 
> marks targets. That's irrelevant to the main point of the question, but 
> possibly worth knowing.
> 
> The name for the O case was obvious: Oblique. However, I have been 
> struggling for some time to come up with names for the two S cases. 
> Nominative and Accusative seemed just as wrong as Ergative and Absolutive.
> I tried mixing names from each pair, to no avail.
> 
> I spend some time rolling the meaning of the Erg/Nom split around in my 
> brain, and I have come up with Initiator and Undergoer, though I'd prefer 
> to find some more "scholarly" names for them. "Ergative" seems like a good
> candidate, etymologically, for the Initiator case, which is sort of a 
> shame, but I can accept it. I'm completely lost for names of the Undergoer
> case. Suggestions, please? (Anyone saying "Accusative" will be taken 
> outside and shot).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul



Hello,


not knowing wether you got the answer already, I would suggest grabbing what you call Initiator and Undergoer by their semantic roles: 
Initiator = Agent
Undergoer = Patient

This also works fine with Wari' BTW, which is the only language I know of that has non-endocentric phrase structure.

(AFAIK after attending Leipzig Spring School on Linguistic Diversity two months ago)

Though, only on basis of "sheer" syntax, I would be at a loss as well.

Hope I could contribute to the solution,


regards, 
Raik




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