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AUXLANG  June 2006, Week 5

AUXLANG June 2006, Week 5

Subject:

Re: All roads lead to Romance (was: Conversation Survey)

From:

Don <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:55:04 -0700

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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:59:04 -0700, Thomas Alexander <[log in to unmask]>  
wrote:

> Hi Don T, Kjell, Bob, and others,
>
> I've changed the subject line.
>
> Don T:
>> Forgive me, Thomas and Don H, for butting in yet
>> again.
>
> Nepardoninde.  :-)
>
> For my part, your contribution is more than welcome.
>
>> I just want to point out that which language works
>> "better" is partly dependent on to whom you are
>> talking. The reason for this is that the grammar
>> of Italian is highly analogous to French grammar,
>> which is a very big help to a French speaker. Occ
>> grammar, on the other hand has been simplified and
>> made more English-like, which is a help to the
>> English speaker, but I doubt that it gives it any
>> advantage over Italian to the ear of a French-
>> speaking listener.
>
> It'd be interesting to know the extent to which this
> claim is based on hunches and how much it is based on
> experience - as Bob likes to point out.  My thought,
> however, is that both can be valid and both can be
> misleading depending on how careful one is or is not
> in drawing conclusions.
>

In my case, it's based on experience when learning the languages. Before  
formally studying either Italian or French, I already spoke Spanish. When  
I took up Italian, I tended to confuse Spanish and Italian and make  
grammatical and syntactical errors in the new language--because they were  
closer lexically than they were grammatically. But when I took up French,  
I found that the fact that French and Italian grammars are highly  
analogous was actually quite helpful, allowing a sort of cross  
fertilization in the two learning processes. At the same time, there was  
enough phonological difference that I did not tend to confuse the two  
languages.

I must say that I spent less time on learning Occ than on any other  
language I've studied. This was probably because the vocabulary was quite  
familiar to me. I might have been a bit mystified by the grammar, though,  
if I had not already had a knowledge of English (which not every Romance  
speaker does). Though I like Bob's IAL, I have to say that I have strong  
doubts about his argument.

--Don T

-- 
Lo romanyol es una lingua molt fŕcil. Todas las personas que ja parlan una  
lingua romŕnica poden aprender e parlar romanyol. Lo romanyol ten tambč  
una bellesa singular. Per quč no juntar-te con lo grup?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romanyol

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