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CONLANG  September 2006, Week 3

CONLANG September 2006, Week 3

Subject:

lykanthropos (was: Weekly Vocab #1.1.1 (repost #1))

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:22:58 +0100

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Henrik Theiling wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Philip Newton writes:
[snip]
>>
>>"Lycanthrope" is a counter-example :) (lykos, wolf; anthropos, human)
> 
> 
> Funny -- I even (though I) had considered this when I stated the
> above.  Confusion.

Certainly it is a counter example to 'man+wolf' *order*; but Henrik has 
since explained: "By writing 'man-wolf', I meant 'man' modifying 'wolf' 
in whatever order the particular language implements this."

I am not sure that in this respect Greek _lykanthropos_ is a counter 
example. It is one of the less common (for ancient Greek) type of 
compound where both parts are nouns. There are a few others. for example:

_iatromantis_ <-- iatros "physician, doctor" + mantis "prophet, seer'. 
The noun is used as a name for both Apollo and Asklepios (Aesculapius). 
As a name for Asklepios, it might be argued that "physician' is the head 
noun, but for Apollo surely "seer" is more likely. In fact that compound 
is surely a dvandva (or copulative) compound in which both elements have 
equal claim to be the head, i.e. "physician and seer".

_ksiphomakhaira_ "sabre" <-- ksiphos "sword" + makhaira "dagger; sabre 
(curved sword)". This is a different sort of compounding wherein each 
elements acts as attribute to the other (there must be a name for this, 
but I don not recall what it is). _ksiphos_ is a sword (which may be 
straight or curved) and _makhaira_ has two meanings: "a short dagger", 
"a sabre". Prefixing _ksipho-_ makes it clear which meaning of 
_makhaira_ is intended; likewise, suffixing _-makhaira_ makes it clear 
what shape sword we are talking about.

_theotauros_ <-- theos "god" + tauros "bull". A name given to Zeus. Is 
this "god and bull"? As Zeus is always a god and only occasionally 
assumes bull shape does it mean "bull-god" (i.e. "bull" is attribute of 
"god")?

It could be argued that _lykanthropos_ is of the same type as 
_theotauros_, i.e. _lykanthropos_ means a wolf who may assume human 
form. Or it could be a dvandva compound like _iatromantis_, i.e. "wolf 
and human".

But, of course, we also find compounds like _andropais_ "boy with the 
mind of a man" <-- andr- (oblique stem of _ane:r_ 'man, adult male) + 
_pais_ "child" (male or female). Here _pais_ is certainly the head, and 
andro- the attribute, defining both the sex of the child and that the 
child thinks like an adult. So _lykanthropos_ could be a human with 
wolf-like tendencies.

Thus _lykanthropos_ could be 'wolf-man' (as Henrick finds werewolf is in 
other languages), or 'man-wolf', or 'wolf and man' - darned Greeks   ;-)


-- 
Ray
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