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CONLANG October 2006, Week 1

Subject:

Latin infinitive & gerund (was: How to kick the infinitive habit)

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Henrik Theiling wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> R A Brown writes:
[snip]
>>In Latin, as I have explained, although the infinitives were neuter
>>verbal nouns (e.g. ), they could be used only as nominatives &
>>accusatives, and the latter only if not preceded by a preposition. To
>>'fill in the rest of the gaps', the gerund was used. But *this is
>>peculiar to Latin only*!
>  
> Ok.
> 
> BTW, do you happen to know a source for telling me exactly when the
> accusative infinitive was used in Latin and when the gerund?  I don't
> have any intuition and failed to find any helpful information in my
> Latin grammars -- the respective sections are not contrastive enough
> to enlighten me.  E.g. in 'He likes to drink' or 'He links drinking.',
> both constructions seem possible in English.  What did Latin allow
> here?

*Only* the infinitive: amat bibere.

'bibere' is the direct object of 'amat' (or whatever other verb you may 
wish to use), therefore the infinitive must be used. The gerund in the 
nominative case & the plain accusative (i.e. not after a preposition) 
had the meaning of 'obligation'. _amat bibendum_ would mean something 
like: he loves being obliged to drink.

On the other hand, if we had _studere_ (to be keen on) we would need the 
gerund since _studere_ govern the dative case (or if you prefer: it has 
an indirect object, not a direct one in Latin). Thus 'he is keen on 
drinking' must be 'studet bibendo'.

We can consider the declension of the verbal noun (infinitive/gerund) 
thus in Latin:
            Nominative  bibere
      Plain Accusative  bibere
Accusative after prep. bibendum
              Genitive  bibendi
                Dative  bibendo
              Ablative  bibendo

Messy - but that's the way it is   :)

As for accusative & infinitive, this is used for reported or indirect 
statements; e.g.
He said (that) she had arrived.
Dixit          illam advenisse   [perfect infin.]

He said (that) he was writing a letter
Dixit          se epistulam scribere.

He said (that) they would arrive tomorrow.
Dixit          illos cras adventuros esse. [pres. infin. of "to be" + 
future participle]

Wheelock's "Latin" is a good book, and reasonably priced (even tho he 
lists the noun cases in the American order    ;)

It is readily available from Amazon; there is also a website devoted to 
Wheelock's Latin series (he's done more than just the basic textbook):
http://www.wheelockslatin.com

-- 
Ray
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