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AUXLANG  October 2006, Week 3

AUXLANG October 2006, Week 3

Subject:

Re: 43-aj Baltiaj Esperanto-Tagoj

From:

"Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:01:25 -0700

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Je 06.19 atm 2006.10.17, James CHANDLER skribis
>--- "Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > -IO hardly qualifies as an "Ido improvement" --
> > country names in -IO
> > were around in Esperanto before Couturat appeared on
> > the scene, e.g.
> > Meksikio, Kolombio, Bolivio, Cxilio
>
>You know this is disingenuous, Don, because the -io
>here is part of the Zamenhofised name of these
>countries, not a suffix.  It seems far more likely
>_prima facie_ that this -io suffix was influenced by
>Ido -ia.  Btw, what does the Fundamento say about
>replacing -ujo with -io ?  Surely this is
>kontraux-Fundamenta.

It's not disingenuous because it's a pattern that could be more 
widely applied (and, in each case, the ending -IO -- which in the 
case of Mexico and Chile is obviously _not_ based on -IA -- in at 
least three of the four cases has precisely the meaning it does 
today, "a nation named after whatever is in the root" whether it be a 
valley or a man).

The "Fundamento" says nothing about the topic. The Akademio in the 
twenties advised against using -IO, but, more recently, has changed 
its opinion, like King Cole deciding to flee from the tide.

> > As I've mentioned here before, Vilborg suggests that
> > some of the
> > words officialized in the 7th Official Addition to
> > the Universala
> > Vortaro were influenced by Ido; that was in the
> > 1950s, if I'm not
> > mistaken. And it's quite possible, though IMHO not
> > yet demonstrated,
> > that the suffix -END- came to Esperanto from Ido (I
> > almost wrote
> > "originated with", but it's originally from Latin,
> > of course).
>
>This process of adopting Ido improvements into Esp is
>entirely natural, even inevitable, and certainly to be
>welcomed.  Long may Espists continue to improve their
>language along the lines of Ido.

Once you've exhausted the minor features that you find useful, such a 
process tends to stop. And, as you will notice, it did not extend 
beyond the lexical level.

> > As to other "improvements" ... I urge you not to
> > hold your breath,
> > else you will turn blue.
>
>Well, let's hope it doesn't take too much longer,
>because to borrow the catchphrase of an anti-Bush
>website: the world can't wait!

Don't worry. I'm pretty sure it won't.



-- Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/don/don.html
Opinions (in English): http://www.harlows.org/don/opinions/
Esperanto (in English): http://www.harlows.org/don/esperanto/
Literaturo (Esperante): http://donh.best.vwh.net/Esperanto/Literaturo

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