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Thagojian 3B notes

From:

Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:39:24 -0500

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My mailer has done some font substitution in the following. I hope that  
does not mean it has switched to rich text without telling me. I apologise  
in advance if so.

Please also excuse the disorganized form of these notes. I'm literally  
"riffing" / "thinking aloud", and if I don't get it written down somewhere  
moderately concrete, I'll probably either discard or forget it -- I have  
about 70 documents on my hard drive right now containing "Thagojian" in  
the filename. Some of them are even compatible with eachother!

Until I have a new name, I'm going with the modifier 3B for the  
Turkic/Slavic/Uralic influenced IElang, and 3A for the  
Akkadian/Coptic/Hebrew one, reflecting the fact that the "A" language  
reflects more aspects of the original design goal. That said, I'm mostly  
concentrating on 3B at the moment, because it's new and therefore more  
interesting.

After some deliberations, I came to roughly the following orthographies  
for the core sound set of 3B. This is subject to dramatic change -- it's a  
small part of what at this stage is Thagojian 3B v0.0.1, and is probably  
going to be added to significantly.

Note the use of Greek {omega} for Cyrillic {omega}, and Latin |v| for  
Cyrillic {izhitsa}. Both of these are modern-era (XVIII or later, I guess)  
compromises due to the greater typographic availability of both characters.

(Cyrillic Order)
Аа Бб Гг Дд Ее Ƣƣ Ии Йй Кк Лл Ӆӆ Мм Нн Ӊӊ Оо Өө Пп Рр Ҏҏ Rʀ Сс Тт Уу Ўў Фф  
Хх Ҳҳ Шш Ъъ Ыы Iı Vv Ωω
Aa Bb Gg Dd Ee Ğğ İi Yy Kk Ll Łł Mm Nn Ññ Oo Öö Pp Rr Ṛṛ Řř Ss Tt Uu Ww Ff  
Xx Hh Šš ʼ   Ǝə Iı Üü Åå
/a b  g  d  e  G  i  j  k  l  K  m  n  N  o  2  p  4  4` r\ s  t  u  w  f   
x  h  S  ?   @  i\ y  Q/

(Latin Order)
Aa Åå Bb Dd Ee Ǝə Ff Gg Ğğ Hh Iı İi Kk Ll Łł Mm Nn Ññ Oo Öö Pp Rr Ṛṛ Řř Ss  
Tt Uu Üü Ww Xx Yy Šš ʼ
Аа Ωω Бб Дд Ее Ыы Фф Гг Ƣƣ Ҳҳ Iı Ии Кк Лл Ӆӆ Мм Нн Ӊӊ Оо Өө Пп Рр Ҏҏ Rʀ Сс  
Тт Уу Vv Ўў Хх Йй Шш Ъъ
/a Q  b  d  e  @  f  g  G  h  i\ i  k  l  K  m  n  N  o  2  p  4  4` r\ s   
t  u  y  w  x  j  S  ?/

Don't even *start* to ask about asciification yet, btw.

I'm thinking about rationalizing and unifying the character order, at  
least somewhat. Ideas include putting /i/, /i\/ and /j/ in a contiguous  
block in both alphabets, putting /g/ and /G/ next to eachother (possibly  
always followed by /h/), and putting /Q/, /y/, /2/ at the end (maybe with  
a change of order?).

Hopefully, you can read these rules ...

C/?/ > C[_>]
C/h/ > C[_h]

... i.e. /?/ and /h/ become ejectivity and aspiration respectively when  
immediately following a consonant (if possible for that consonant). A  
similar rule is that written Stop + Homorganic Fricative becomes a  
phone(m|t)ic affricate.

/?/ and /h/ are likely to end up prohibited from occuring in the same word.

The groups of vowels for harmony purposes are /i y e 2 a/ vs /y u 2 o Q/  
vs /e 2 o a Q/, plus /i\ @/ as neutral with suitable allophones for each  
harmony group.

I think I shall have the "tail" considered a diacritic in the Cyrillic  
form, and I'm almost certainly going to make the breve a purely diacritic  
device, giving the marginally smaller and more manageable Аа Бб Гг Дд Ее  
Ƣƣ Ии Кк Лл Мм Нн Оо Өө Пп Рр Rʀ Сс Тт Уу Фф Хх Шш Ъъ Ыы Iı Vv Ωω.

I'm going to have to get a handle on the breve/caron use in the Latin  
form. I think I shall go for carons all round, also on N.

I may make |ğ| into /R/ ~ /X/ (fricatives will probably have +v and -v  
allophones).

Coming (more or less) soon:

Jaŋalif, UTA, and Arabic orthographies, and maybe a brush with Turkic  
Runes.





Paul





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