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AUXLANG  December 2006, Week 2

AUXLANG December 2006, Week 2

Subject:

Re: [ARTICLE] ELF at the gate: the position of English as a Lingua Franca

From:

James Chandler <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:42:25 -0800

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Actually, it's even worse, because in the real world
there is no L2 learner of English who does not aspire
to speak like a native speaker, generally of either RP
or GenAm English.  That is the target, that is what
they all aim at, and so very few ever reach.  So this
"lingua franca" English doesn't even fit the
definition of a lingua franca, which the author quotes
in the essay.  This kind of sloppy thinking would not
pass muster in a rigorous science like maths or
physics.  So this essay is pure nonsense from start to
finish.

In peace

--- James Chandler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I really wonder what planet these modern day
> professional linguists are on when I read
> pretentious
> tripe like this.  Out there in the _real_ world you
> will search in vain for any kind of cohesive version
> of "lingua franca" English.  There are regional
> dialects like Singlish, but that is about as far as
> it
> goes.  There are no regional lingua francas, there
> are
> just L2 speakers all over the world struggling
> against
> the odds to learn English and most of them are more
> or
> less failing.  In my experience L2 speakers from
> different countries (even in Europe) struggle to
> have
> an intelligent conversation about anything in
> English,
> and intelligibility between different world
> Englishes
> is poor (John Wells in 'Accents of English' is a
> more
> reliable source, I would suggest, than people
> pushing
> TEFL courses).
> 
> In the real world you find that people are
> code-switching in an entirely different way, in
> fact,
> this board is a good example.  Look at mailing
> lists,
> Usenet groups and so on, and you find people using a
> bit of English, a bit of Dutch, a bit of Spanish, a
> bit of Esperanto, Interlingua, ... often in the same
> post.  This is a much healthier impulse than this
> insane pushing of English as IL at all costs which
> these linguists engage in.  The idea that an author
> like this is not attempting to foist English on the
> peoples of world is just laughable.
> 
> I hsve yet to work out why these present-day
> linguists
> can think of nothing more imaginative than pushing
> English as an IL.  These people are supposedly the
> most knowledgeable about the diversity of languages
> all over the world, many of which are already
> endangered.  This kind of myopic, one-dimensional
> pushing of English is so widespread among linguists
> that I can only think that there is some vested
> interest in there somewhere.  This pitiful essay
> just
> reads to me like a PR job for EFL and English as IL,
> and there must be a quid or two for someone in that.
> 
> In peace
> 
> --- Antonielly Garcia Rodrigues
> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > ELF X EFL
> > Englisha as a Lingua Franca X English as a Foreign
> > Language
> > (teaching implications)
> > http://www.hltmag.co.uk/mar05/idea.htm



Kordiale, James Chandler
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