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AUXLANG  January 2007, Week 1

AUXLANG January 2007, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Interlingue and Interlingua

From:

Steve Rice <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:14:12 -0500

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 04:33:44 +0900, MacLeod Dave <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:

>You know, I can't seem to find any information on exactly why each language
>prefers itself to the other. Can anybody give a concise explanation on why
>some people prefer the former and others the latter? What system does
>Interlingue use for coining new words?
>
Occidental, much like Eo and Ido, tends to borrow roots, while Interlingua 
borrows forms. So when you're stuck for a word, it's generally easier and 
more acceptable to derive one on the fly in Occ than Ia. (This was one of 
the things that surprised me when translating "Gift of the Magi": Occ was 
considerably easier, even though my Ia resources are far better. I thought 
they would be about equal.)

Also, Interlingua has the mysterious concept of "prototypes." That's why Ia 
has "septimana" (following Italian and Romanian) for Occ "semane." It also 
leads to forms such as "corriger" (think "[in]corrigible") rather 
than "corecter" and "illa" when the source languages indicate "ella." On 
the other hand, although Interlingua rejects ideas not found in all its 
source languages (so English prevents grammatical gender from arising), it 
still has a dummy pronoun "il" (not found in Spanish), a generic 
pronoun "on" (Eng, Sp pronominalize the number one), a neuter pronoun (= 
Eng "it") not found in anything but Eng (though the form suggests the Sp 
conceptual neuter), and a neuter article found in Sp but not in Eng, Fr or 
(as I recall) It. Which is to say I find it a bit hard to take seriously.

On the other hand, once you get out of obvious borrowings (-ation>-ation/-
ar), Occ becomes every bit as arbitrary as Eo, while Interlingua tends to 
settle doubtful cases with Latin.

While Interlingua strives for a Romance look and feel (only to abandon 
Romance on gender, adjective-noun agreement and other details), Occ has 
more of a former creole feel. It also serves notice of Germanic sympathies 
(it's usually Adj-N, and object pronouns typically follow the verb)--but it 
allows multiple negatives, unlike any of the other major auxlangs.

Basically, Occ stands between Ido and Interlingua, though it's sloppier 
than either in its overall feel, which I generally think is a good thing. 
It has about as many affixes as Ido, but they are somewhat more loosely  
defined, which leads to significant overlap. (Advantage: you can use the 
affix that more resembles the way your preferred language works. 
Disadvantage: proliferation of non-standard but technically permissible 
forms.)

These are the practical differences, IMO.

Steve

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