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CONLANG  January 2007, Week 2

CONLANG January 2007, Week 2

Subject:

Renaming tezenki to terZ2mja (was Re: RFC: Renaming 3B to Tezenki)

From:

Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:40:22 -0500

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----- Original Message -----
From: Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>

> Paul Bennett skrev:
> > What do you think, though, of "Tezenki"? Does it have the
> > right sound for a language located vaguely at the north-
> > west shore of the Caspian Sea?
> 
> Sure, but where does the _-ki_ come from? Is it and
> adjective ending?

With hindsight, it seems like my subconcious was modelling it on the 
Dagestani, Azerbaijani, Uzbeki 
model, with an ethnonym of Tezenk and an -i suffix for the adjectival 
form.

It doesn't appear in the "etymology" because the latter was hastily 
retconned as a possiblity.

See my other post, though: I have decided I like the etymology more 
than the purported reflex, and 
have more or less decided (my feeling is getting stronger through the 
day) to derive a new modern 
form from it. See below for more...

> > Does it have any possibly unfortunate meanings or
> > similarities?
> 
> Not that I know of. But then how much need you care about
> such things? The Swedish word for 'edge' is /kant/ but we
> use it happily anyway! I'd care only about associations in
> the lang itself.

I'd care somewhat about unfortunate homonyms in Russian, for sure, 
since that could lead to a 
Russified euphemistic name for the people/area/language. The other 
surrounding languages, I'd be more 
curious than concerned about.

> > Alternatively, what do you think about retooling it to
> > match the PIE etymology above? At first glance, that might
> > give "Terzemia" for the region/nation/SSR, with an - n for
> > the adjective, which isn't that cacophonous over all, but
> > somehow gives me a Bad Feeling.
> 
> What would be the native form of the name? For some
> reason it seems to me kind of appropriate or realistic if
> a Russification as opposed to a native name be somewhat
> cacophonous! So if "Tersemija" is a Russification I say
> go for it!

After more thought, I get the feeling it might become terZ2mja in an 
early-modern stage and maybe 
become tel zjemli (i.e. "Tel Ground~Land~Earth", AIUI) under Russian 
influence[*], leading to the use 
of Tel as the ethnonym for at least the 19th and 20th centuries. A 
renationalization effort could 
plausibly happen in the late 20th and early 21st...

[*]Is mjV -> mljV just a Ukrainian thing, or is it also Russian?

On the same topic as that footnote, is 2 -> jo -> je a plausible chain 
under Russian influence?


Paul

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