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CONLANG  January 2007, Week 3

CONLANG January 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: How you pronunce foreign place names

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:42:48 -0500

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When sufficiently educated (whether formally or via life experience),
Anglophones have two distinct sets of rules for converting unfamiliar
written words to speech sounds: one for English words and one for
"foreign" words.  The latter includes the Latin vowels, /Z/ or /j/ for
|j|,  etc.  So unfamiliar names often come out with a pronunciation
that conforms to neither Englsh or native patterns.

On 1/21/07, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> li [Herman Miller] mi tulis la
>
> > > 3. Pronounce it Englishly, butwith some exoticisation [beIZIN]
> >
> > Ugh. Now if I were speaking French or Portuguese that would
> > make sense,
> > but English has a perfectly good /dZ/ sound, and /Z/ might be
> > mistaken
> > for Chinese /r/. I don't expect reporters to know how Chinese /r/ is
> > pronounced, but someone has got to let them hear a recording of how a
> > native Chinese speaker pronounces Beijing (hint: they won't hear
> > anything like a /Z/ in it).
>
> Another one they are always messing up is Fallujah, saying it [f@luZ@].
> There are some versions of Arabic that pronounce ج as [Z] but not the Iraqi
> variety where it is more likely to be [j] or [dZ]
>
> 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_Arabic
> 	"ج jiim (CA /ʤ/) too varies widely. In some Arabian Bedouin dialects, and
> parts of the 	Sudan,	it is still realized as the medieval Persian linguist
> Sibawayh described it, as a 	palatalized /gʲ/. In Egypt and Yemen, it is a
> plain /g/. In most of North Africa and the Levant, it 	is /ʒ/, apart from
> Algeria. In the Gulf and Iraq, it often becomes /j/. Elsewhere, it is
> 	usually /ʤ/."
>
> Reporters seem to be really bad about pronunciation, almost as if they are
> trying too hard to sound "sophisticated" to cover up for not knowing how it
> should be pronounced.  It only demonstrates just how ignorant a lot of them
> are about the things they are reporting on, beyong just the names, and I see
> the situation constantly growing worse.
>


-- 
Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>

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