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Re: "Proposed IPA" characters not in Unicode

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John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:42:38 +0200

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Paul Bennett wrote:
>I have a chart of what I think is the latest IPA (it includes the 
>labiovelar flap (which is not yet in CXS, and about which bloody
>battles have IIRC been fought)).

Labiodental, actually. As for CXS, /V\/ is probably the closest
available thing. Z-SAMPA uses W\_d, where W\ is the bilabial flap;
V\ is there reserved for a voiced velar lateral fricativ (does
anyone actually use that??)

>For example, there are "belted" versions of /l\/, /L/, and /L\/, 
>symbolizing lateral fricatives. Also, the long-leg /r\/ is back (for
>the sound I might CXSify as /4_l/), and brings with it a long-leg
>/r\/ with retroflex hook (the retroflex equivalent, i.e. /4`_l/).

Wait... in standard X-SAMPA & variants thereof /l\/ is the lateral
flap (and l/turned-r digraph - as I read it - for the IPA equivalent
has been around for a while I think.) But you seem to be using it
for some other purpose here, apparently some lateral approximant
judging by the company?


>I've currently been dealing with them by using the COMBINING RETROFLEX HOOK 
>and COMBINING PALATAL HOOK, but that's obviously not such a hot
>prospect for the velar lateral fricative.
>
>So, my questions are:
>
>Should I just ignore them unless and until I need to use them?

Unless you foresee yourself needing them at some point, why not?
They're bound to get into Unicode sooner or later anyway.

>If not, how should I best represent them in typeset text?

>Paul

WP uses cyrillic izhitsa for the labiodental flap. I think there
exist custom fonts for the laterals (if only with a combining belt
diacritic); I suspect Doulos SIL, but don't hold me to that.

The custom of just using the diacritic for "voiceless" is common
too, as vl. lat. fric. <> vl. lat. appr. contrasts are almost
nonexistent.

John Vertical

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