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AUXLANG  February 2007, Week 3

AUXLANG February 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Common Word Test

From:

Matthew Barnett <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:33:17 +0000

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Risto Kupsala wrote:
> Jens Wilkinson kirjoitti:
>> --- Rex May <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Related to this somewhat, LFN seems to just use the
>>> pronouns -as- possessives without modification.  Seemingly, it works.
>> And Chinese does in practice as well. Or at least,
>> commonly but not necessarily in a perfectly regular
>> way.
> 
> But Mandarin has also genetive marker. E.g. "wo mama" and "wo de mama" 
> both mean "my mother".
> 
>>  I think the best solution is to say that pronouns
>> should be treated like other nouns; it's easiest to
>> explain that way. And people will flout that rule and
>> start using pronouns without a possessive marker,
>> because it's easy and as you say, it doesn't cause
>> problems. And that's OK, because it just means that it
>> works without them (I'm certain it does). So as long
>> as you don't levy fines for improper use of the
>> language, then it should be fine.
>>   
> 
> This whole issue is not as clear cut as it may seem. For example how 
> would one treat pronouns in a list? Would "tu amiki et dio" be 
> understood "you, friends and God" or "your friends and God"?
> 
Do you mean like "her friends and God" vs "her, friends and God" in 
English? :-)

> What about the very basic contact language expression "me Tarzan, you 
> Jane"? Would it mean "my Tarzan, your Jane"? That is, if you get rid off 
> possessive pronouns or genetive marker, then you create a need for a 
> copula or verb marker. In English "I house tenants" is quite different 
> from "my house tenants". So that's a trade-off that one must consider.
> 
> What about noun+noun? Would "brick wall" mean "brick's wall"? Well, 
> maybe that's not an issue, because "wall of bricks" is completely 
> understandable. But it's good to think about the language as a whole, 
> not just a feature in isolation, before you draw conclusions.
> 

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