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AUXLANG  February 2007, Week 3

AUXLANG February 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Apologia (was: "From Chernobyl with love")

From:

Jacques Dehee <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:08:06 -0500

Content-Type:

text/plain

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The radioactive cloud from Chernobyl crossed all Europa, France included

and was a bad gift und ein Gift for all of us.

Ein Gift sind Sie auch persönlich.

*

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:27:51 +0200, Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:

>Jacques Dehee wrote:
>
>> Subject: "From Chernobyl with love"
>
>In older times, just for this only phrase you would be challenged to a duel.
>Chernobyl is a real tragedy for tens of thousands of my compatriots, and not
>a reason for mockery. If you want to insult, insult me personally.
>
>> Yitz wrote:
>> Sublimisime Yitz, per favor, iluminate nus !
>
>Avec plaisir!
>
>Hac sunt apologia mea.
>
>1. Destructive.
>
>1.1. I am not an auxlanger. I am engaged in creative linguistics for
>artistic self-expression and entertainment. I came to this list for getting
>wider experience, not to make humankind happier.
>
>1.2. I don't think a WAL has something to do with happiness or solution of
>social problems. Moreover, success of an auxlang depends heavily on various
>extralinguistic factors - politics, finances, ethnic and religious
>background etc. - much more than on the flaws and advantages of a 
particular
>project.
>
>1.3. As for auxlang projects, debates about the advantages of one
>Romance-based lang over another seem naive tinkering, resembling mediaeval
>discussions on "how many demons may sit on the edge of a pin". For me as a
>person whose mother tongue is not Romance, all those "interlinguas",
>"occidentals", "novials" etc. looks like carbon-copied, a puzzle of "find 10
>differences" type. All of them have no advantage at all, if I speak Russian
>(Hindi, Hungarian etc.) Its "regularity" is annoying because I speak a
>fusional language and perceive any deviation from irregular forms in Russian
>(e.g. "makhayu" instead of "mashu" from the verb "makhat;") as a sign of
>illiteracy. On the other hand, pidgins aren't annoying. "Moja tvoja ne
>ponimaj" serves as a normal communication tool.
>
>1.4. A philosophic lang won't work. People aren't machines. Cognitive
>language abilities work differently, on some heuristic principles.
>
>1.5. You often say: "People won't accept, People won't like, People would
>prefer". Who are you to speak on their behalf? Did you do sociological
>surveys, or at least polls? For more than four thousand years of documented
>history people always found some tools of interethnic communication, even
>they would seem difficult. Greek Koine or Modern Russian are a hell of a
>language, still they serve(d) well, and people learnt them an used them.
>
>2. Constructive.
>
>2.1. English serves as a de_facto lingua_franca in world relations. It is
>THE BAD THING, but I don't think we can somehow prevent it, or compete.
>
>2.2. Esperanto is the most successfully realised IAL with at least hundreds
>of thousands of speakers. It is relatively successful for many
>extraliguistic reasons , but IMO, people like it because it is not purely
>Romance. It has an interesting mix in vocabulary, and clearly non-European
>agglutinative grammar of Uralo-Altaic type.
>
>2.3. What kind of auxlang could be considered better suggestion for the 21st
>century? Not discussing the ways of its promotion, I will mention only some
>design principles. IMO, there are three possibilities for a better design.
>
>2.3.1. A naturalistic Romance-based conlang may be acceptable for the
>inter-Romance or, maximum, inter-occidental communication, and serve as a
>bridge to the Romance culture for the non-Romance ethnic groups. Thus, it is
>not a WAL in the proper meaning of the word, but still has some chance, if
>it only would deal away with non-Romance features in its grammar,
>overregularising its verb conjugation, pronouns system etc. because of
>"philosophic" reasons.
>
>2.3.2. A world creole would be a better solution. It won't provoke "smell of
>imperialism". We see this, as many "new nations" adopt their creoles as
>national languages without feeling that it is "imported by oppressors". See
>the success of Bislama, Tok Pisin, Sranan, Afrikaans. Such a creole may be a
>mix of several European simplified vocabulary items plus widely accepted
>non-European regionalisms. All on the grammar common to natural creoles,
>like optional usage of TAMs instead of obligatory tense marking, analytism
>etc.
>
>2.3.3. To make it eevn more neutral, one may suggest to compose the basic
>vocabulary a_priori, taking into account sound symbolism and/or sound
>frequency in the major natlangs, and then to expand it with borrowing
>cultural items from their proper source langs (culture includes technology,
>too) and with word building by simple derivation and compounding.
>
>Dixi.
>
>> Jacques
>
>-- Isaac-Igor A. Penzev (aka Yitzik)

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