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AUXLANG February 2007, Week 4

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Re: [NEWS] New language for divided Cameroon

From:

Rex May <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:27:00 -0500

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:29:53 +0900, MacLeod Dave <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>There's no bristling going on here, just that I doubt that any of us
>are knowledgeable enough to determine which cultures are worth keeping
>and which aren't. Your implication that Nazi culture is somehow
>separate from German culture is also odd - in the same way
>cannibalistic culture is also something that can be wiped out without
>taking out the culture as a whole. If you don't even understand that
>"Nazi culture" was a part of German culture in the same way that
>"cannibalistic culture" is also part of another culture, how are you
>able to make judgments on which cultures are worth exterminating and
>which aren't?
>The bit about multiculturalism is also a straw man that doesn't do the
>argument any good. If you like you can pretend that we're all pc
>lefties and that your stance is a courageous bit of nonconformity, but
>it is very far from the truth.

Sorry I came on that way. Let's see if I can actually make myself
clear this time.

Cannibalism is an integral part of some cultures. If you eliminate
the cannibalism, you've changed the culture to the point where it's
a new culture retaining other elements doesn't really change that.

This is a little semantic. When Aztec religion was eliminated, Aztec
culture was changed so much that it was no longer the same thing.
So when you talk about exterminating cultures, it's implied that
the whole thing, all elements of it, are to be eliminated. Not
necessary, and has almost never happened, except in cases of
genocide.

So I'm saying that many cultures have been destroyed, and often
it was a good thing. Many of us are descended from North
Europeans who practiced human sacrifice. The cultures we had
were destroyed by eliminating that. There were a lot of good
elements in those cultures, and some of the elements were,
happily, retained, but the culture as a unit was changed into
a -new- culture. Or that, at least, is what I see as the most
accurate way to describe it.

Yes, it's semantic. When I want to eliminate, say, slavery in
culture X, I consider that I'm going to change culture X to the
extent that I'm in effect destroying it. You might just see it
as a reform that -changes- the culture but afterwards it's
still culture X, reformed. So we're calling the same thinking
two different things. I doubt if we'd disagree much on
evaluating a given situation.

And it is an interesting question as to whether German
culture has been changed into a new culture, or is the
same culture reformed. It has certainly not been changed
as much as the Aztec culture was. Somewhere in between
is the Japanese culture, which is certainly not what it was
a century ago, but which still retains much of what it had
then.

Anyhow, my problem is that I see a danger in promiscuous
tolerance. Acceptance of foreign cultures should be
something to consider carefully, not to automatically
label a good thing in itself. Like most Westerners, I'm
biased towards tolerance, which I think is the proper
attitude, but, like all good ideas, it can be taken to
counterproductive extremes.

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