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AUXLANG  March 2007, Week 3

AUXLANG March 2007, Week 3

Subject:

Re: duplication o ???

From:

Antonielly Garcia Rodrigues <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:32:35 -0300

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On 3/15/07, auliuniv <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  ILa 1951+? Interlingua es un registration del vocabulario international de
> origine latin que es commun a italiano, espaniol, portugese, anglese,
> francese, germano e russo. [8]
>

German and Russian were considered only in cases where there wasn't
support from at least three of the four primary language units
(Italian, Spanish/Portuguese, English and French).

>
>  Occidental: For a word to be minimally international it must be in at least
> 3 languages.
>

LsF (also called "Interlingua" de Peano) also accepted international
words that existed in at least two languages among {[pt], [es], [it],
[fr], [en] [de], [ru]}, as I have already pointed out:

http://www.geocities.com/athens/olympus/2948/primlib1.html
http://www.mtsu.edu/~rmorris/interling.html#lsf

Interlingua de Peano, not Occidental, provided some inspiration for
IALA Interlingua, in Gode's words:
"Inter omne le systemas de lingua auxiliar ante le tempore de
interlingua, il es sin dubita latino sine flexione que ha avantiate le
principios del naturalismo le plus temerarimente in le direction verso
le principio del lingua como un entitate que (logicamente) precede su
utilisation. Assi il es probabilemente plus
correcte vider in latino sine flexione un predecessor de interlingua
que considerar occidental como un tal. In le caso de latino sine
flexione il es le mathematico e le logico in Peano qui destrueva
posteriormente le valide materia prime que le historico e le
psychologo in Peano habeva trovate. In
le caso de occidental - le qual, in tante respectos formal, approcha
le stato de interlingua - il esseva le 'idealismo' de de Wahl que
preveniva le de emancipar se definitivemente del esperantismo
traditional."
http://starter5.aitcom.net/interlinguaus/pakupaku/uploads//GodeManifestodeInterlingua.pdf

It is interesting to read that document to understand what
"esperantismo" and "idealismo" meant for Gode. In practice, every
conlang partisan and conlanger in this list (including me) is
"idealista" in the sense that Gode expressed. In my conception,
Interlingua and maybe Folkspraak are the *only* existing conlangs
which are free from that "idealismo". Not that "idealismo" is a good
or a bad feature per se -- Gode thinks it is bad, but I don't
necessarily find it bad --, but it is useful as another element for
classifying conauxlangs (besides "schematism X naturalism" and "a
priori X a posteriori").

However Gode also said:
"On trova forsan natural que in omne typologia systematic o cursori de
linguas planate interlingua es classificate insimul con le latino sine
flexione de Peano o con le occidental de de Wahl. Sed in ambe casos io
debe insister emphaticamente que le gruppation es facite secundo
similitudes exclusivemente superficial e externe."
http://starter5.aitcom.net/interlinguaus/pakupaku/uploads//GodeManifestodeInterlingua.pdf

And:
"Le proponimento de Peano es a vices appellate Interlingua, sed le
lingua hodie cognoscite per ille nomine - evolvite per le
International Auxiliary Language Association e ponite in uso (in le
scientias e specialmente in le medicina) per le Interlingua Division
of Science Service - differe ab su precursor satis radicalmente in
tanto que illo esseva extrahite ab le linguas moderne in que le
hereditage latin supervive (non ab le latino classic mesme), de
maniera que illo contine, incorporate in se, omne le elementos que le
linguas occidental moderne possede in commun."
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2948/ialatmod.html

>
>  Occidental: 1949 Berger promotes name change to InterlinguE.
>  Interlingua: 1951 IALA language appears as InterlinguA.
>

The name "Interlingua" existed much before the name "Interlingue".
IALA chose the name "Interlingua" in honor of the Italian
mathematician Giuseppe Peano, which had already created a language
named "Interlingua" / LsF (vide "Academia de Interlingua"). The name
acknowledge that IALA Interlingua was, in a certain sense, an improved
sequel of Peano's Interlingua:

"Peano, at the start of the 20th century, made explicit (in his Latino
sine Flexione, later renamed Interlingua) their intuition that it was
the surviving elements of the Latin language which lent to the modern
tongues their character of internationality. IALA, in tribute to
Peano's insight, petitioned the Academia pro Interlingua, in 1949, to
sanction the use of the name for its own language (Esterhill 2000:
52-53)."
http://www.interlingua.org/html/copy_of_verbatim.htm

>
>  Both words mean the same. One with E one with A.
>

Yes. I believe Occidental changed its name for Interlingue in an
attempt to display an image of neutrality (the name "Occidental"
seemed to be, well, too Occidental and too little Worldwide).

>
>  Berger, initiator of name change, leaves InterlinguE for InterlinguA.
>

It was a personal choice. Many other occidentalans also left
Occidental for Interlingua (maybe because it was backed by IALA, who
knows?).

Do you see Berger as a "traitor"? I would never see someone that
leaves Interlingua as a traitor; he would only be exercising his right
of free choice. The same for any language.

Antonielly Garcia Rodrigues

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