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AUXLANG  March 2007, Week 3

AUXLANG March 2007, Week 3

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Some quotes

From:

auliuniv <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:20:40 -0700

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In case anyone would like real quotes from  Edgar de Wahl and his attitude 
towards Occidental and towards other nationalties here are some of his 
writings about the subject. He was in no way a racist as the stupid critics 
tried to portray him. I plan to post several articles of his, not just short 
quotes, that will show the truth of this matter. To try and destroy one's 
competition by slandering the author of a language is just plain 
incompetence and inability to answer the real questions de Wahl presented 
about Esp and Ido and others. So, fall back on personal attacks when you 
aren't qualified to handle the language technicalities he brought up.

Yes, I know some don't like to see the correct and honest and actual history, 
and the real person, but the truth will come out someday, so why not now, 
and get it over with?

1. Dunc ples hastar, por que on ne fa denove inutil labore quam in Volapük, 
Espo e Ido, queles ne es reconstructibil sin risca de ruine. Occidental, ne 
havent li artificial impedimentes del antiqui systemes, per su analytic metode 
es sempre perfectibil in omni directiones, e si li vive va postular changes, to 
va posser efectuar-se in ti systeme sin dangere, proque it ne have artificial 
muros, queles barra li passagie e in sam tempore ne posse esser eliminat, 
proque ili subteni li tot construction. Con ti muros (as, is, os, us, a, o, e, i) sta 
e cade Espo-Ido. On va vider if li munde va electer li vive in un fortieria 
disciplinativ o in un cité-jardin modern. E.W. 1924

I think he really hit the nail on the head about the problems of Esp and Ido. 
And, his critics never could really defend against that, so they attacked him 
personally. 

2. Si ancor por progressiv jargonisation, quam in Espo, quel plu e plu deveni 
un lingue secret de un quasi religiosi secte; o per progressiv elefantiasis in 
Ido, u omni international paroles recive un form plu e plu repugnant; si on va 
secuer ti innatural vias, on va descreditar li idé por long tempore, samli 
quam pos li naufragie de Volapük. Ma tande li victorie va venir un die per li 
Interlingue Occidental, quel tande va posser incorporar-se sin alqui 
desfacilitá anc omni culturparoles oriental sin dever misformar les quam 
Espo-Ido, e talmen unir li oriente con occidente. Julian Prorok, aka Edgar de 
Wahl, 1924

3. Li studia de Occidental nequande es perdit, proque ja nu, quande li 
ponderant majorité de Europanes mem ancor ne ha audit pri Occidental, 
tamen pro su international structura on es strax comprendet per un cent vez 
plu grand quantité de homes quam per Espo e Ido junt, queles es 
comprensibil solmen a ti qui ha studiat it. E per li plu e plu progressent 
jargonisation, ye quel prof. Meazzini ja ha tornat li attention del publica, Espo 
deveni plu e plu un lingue secret por li adherentes del "sankta interna ideo".

Espo_Ido es un grand bluff por explotar li "nulsavanti". Nu, li "nulsavanti" 
nequandi va posser mastrizar un lingue extran, mey to esser Espo-Ido o 
Hungarian. Por ili es suficent comprender e far se comprendet, e to por un 
hom absolut ne conossent extrani lingues es presc egalmen facil o desfacil 
in li majorité del lingues. Li ver desfacilitás comensa poy, quande on penetra 
plu in finesses del lingue. E.W. 1924

4. In vice del simili-Ersatz, noi naturalistes vole dar al proletario un medie 
comprender e conosser li paroles del occidental cultura, quam ili es, e ne in 
grimasse-masca de Espo-Ido, queles ne da les li possibilitá penetrar in li 
superior studie. Li proletario vole usar su conosset paroles: proletariat, 
internationale, sanitari, militarist, e ne proletariaro, internaciono, sanesals, 
militismano segun li absurd logica de Ido! E.W. 1924



---------------------------------------------------

These and other quotes that will be put up soon, do not at all equate with 
Don's page on neo-Rom... trying to make EW a racist, and thus, Occidental 
a language to avoid.

The real trouble is, all the writings of EW, and as Julian P. about Esperanto 
and Ido really cut to the chase and show the real problems with Esp. So, the 
way, it seems, to try and overcome that is to make the author of Occ. a "bad 
guy". Never mind his correct analysis of Esp and Ido.

Of course, the full articles will be posted soon and not just short quotes 
taken out of context, as certain folks still do to this day. And, then they say, 
in 2007 they don't care about this. Oh? Then, if they don't care, why is it so 
important to quote from history to prove de Wahl a racist, etc? Yes, it is 
important to them, but not the real truth of the matter. It is a simple blatant 
excuse for the lazy minded to say, "I'm not interested in history."

So, what do we have so far?

Esperantists say or imply...

1. E. Wahl was a racist.
2. Occidental was the cause of WWII (the universal war).
3. Occidentalists were the cause of Germany forbidding Esperanto.
4. and more.

What is common to 1, 2, 3, above?

Simple. They are all false.

Does it matter to anyone?
Probably not as long as there is no public perception of it one way or the 
other.

But, the hope is, the public will see these false statements and not pursue 
Occidental, for the critics know that once it is released out of the bottle 
again, it will grow past them. That's all.

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